Is Kapil Dev an ATG test cricketer?

[PlayerComparisons]

Do you rate him as an ATG?

 

[Johan]

I rated Botham as a clear ATG, I rate Kapil clearly behind him but close enough that I don't think it's a mismatch, so Yeah.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I rated Botham as a clear ATG, I rate Kapil clearly behind him but close enough that I don't think it's a mismatch, so Yeah.

Whatever he said

 

[DrWolverine]

Yes

 

[DrWolverine]

At time of his retirement :
• Highest wicket taker in test cricket
• Highest wicket taker in one day cricket

Also
• World Cup winning captain
• Held record for highest individual score in ODI
• First Indian to score a one day century
• Fastest fifty by an Indian in test cricket
• Fastest century by an Indian in test cricket
• Only player with 100+ wickets &1000+ runs in 1 year
• Only player with 5000+ runs and 400+ Test wkts

 

[Sliferxxxx]

No

 

[subshakerz]

Nah

 

[Srinath P]

I consider like 50 players as ATGs so definitely.

 

[Migara]

ATG ODI player
Very good all round.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Yea I think he’s probably an ATG since I rate him close to equal to Botham

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Easily.
Among top 20 cricketers alltime..
There are like 50 ATGs.

Botham is a top tier ATG.. Kapil was better than Botham.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Arguably GOAT ODI Player
Top Tier ATG in tests

 

[Johan]

Botham is a top tier ATG.. Kapil was better than Botham.

Nah

 

[Rob Wesley]

Yes, an ATG in both Tests and ODIs.

Not a top tier though.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah

There's not much in it tbh.

- Botham without his runs vs India averaged only 29, Kapil had a much more even distribution of runs vs decent opposotion.
- Botham sucked against WI with bat and ball unlike Kapil who excelled.
- Botham in the last decade of his career averaged 37(!) with the ball. Though Kapil didn't have a peak as good as Botham, he was never close to worthless like Botham was for ages.

Botham being clearly ahead of Kapil is a total myth imo.

 

[Johan]

There's not much in it tbh.

- Botham without his runs vs India averaged only 29, Kapil had a much more even distribution of runs vs decent opposotion.
- Botham sucked against WI with bat and ball unlike Kapil who excelled.
- Botham in the last decade of his career averaged 37(!) with the ball. Though Kapil didn't have a peak as good as Botham, he was never close to worthless like Botham was for ages.

Botham being clearly ahead of Kapil is a total myth imo.

I just don't think one can have Botham as elite ATG (Lara/Smith/Ambrose type) while having him below Kapil, as you said, the arguments for Kapil > Botham are very much also arguments for why Botham isn't an elite ATG.

I rate Botham in the Chappell/Lillee level due to his first 80 or so tests while Kapil on the Ponting/Dravid/Sangakkara (batting) level.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I just don't think one can have Botham as elite ATG (Lara/Smith/Ambrose type) while having him below Kapil, as you said, the arguments for Kapil > Botham are very much also arguments for why Botham isn't an elite ATG.

I rate Botham in the Chappell/Sunny/Lillee level due to his first 80 or so tests while Kapil on the Ponting/Dravid/Sangakkara (batting) level.

Sunny isn't in that level, change that if you really want me to vote for Gooch

 

[Johan]

Sunny isn't in that level, change that if you really want me to vote for Gooch

Ok

 

[PlayerComparisons]

There's not much in it tbh.

- Botham without his runs vs India averaged only 29, Kapil had a much more even distribution of runs vs decent opposotion.
- Botham sucked against WI with bat and ball unlike Kapil who excelled.
- Botham in the last decade of his career averaged 37(!) with the ball. Though Kapil didn't have a peak as good as Botham, he was never close to worthless like Botham was for ages.

Botham being clearly ahead of Kapil is a total myth imo.

Kapil’s longevity is pretty impressive as well. I don’t think Bothams numbers would be as good if he played 130+ tests.

Got to give credit to Botham for stepping up against Aus when it really mattered though.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

There's not much in it tbh.

- Botham without his runs vs India averaged only 29, Kapil had a much more even distribution of runs vs decent opposotion.
- Botham sucked against WI with bat and ball unlike Kapil who excelled.
- Botham in the last decade of his career averaged 37(!) with the ball. Though Kapil didn't have a peak as good as Botham, he was never close to worthless like Botham was for ages.

Botham being clearly ahead of Kapil is a total myth imo.

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