The whole point was you saying that England pitches weren’t friendly to pace. They were, English bowlers just sucked comparitively. And Kapil was mostly below average in his bowling there. Overall he was an average pacer for the Indian side, which considering its stocks at that point isn’t anything to crow about. Fair judgement, no?
that's probably because most ATG bats have similar actual quality and some are like 5% better than others (like Sachin vs Kallis) while someone like Imran or Miller is quite a bit better than Kapil
Can you list the many better players of spin from Asia than Lara. Also, list the "dozen" Indians and Pakistanis better vs spin than Viv.
Like I said, this is a hypothetical situation where they do. You keep avoiding answering it.
Wait, did he actually say English wickets weren't pace friendly? Are you sure?
My whole point was no. The English pitches were flatter for pacers in those series than average, especially his last one. Also don't think going by just average paints a proper picture here. He genuinely was very good in 2 out of his 4 series, won a match in another 3 matcher though sucked in the 2 other matches there and was legit horrible in his last. My whole point is he isn't as bas in Eng or Pak as his average might suggest
Yes. Except for Bradman factor, I think the other ATG sides will have their matches won or lost based on bowling difference. Batting is minimal.
Exceptions to every rule my friend. Not too long ago I made the same point you're making regarding O'Reilly. I said the same about the England openers. One of them is definitely missing out unless they bat out of place but they're all 3 still atgs. Can't punish them for being undisputed greats but coming up against greater greatness (Warne and O'Reilly). The key take away from my atg stipulation is the not looking out of place in a world XI (plus stats, reputation, peer ratings etc).
@Coronis @capt_Luffy this is undeniable proof that Viv Richards is the most underrated Batsmen on Cricketweb
His post was slightly cut off but I’m pretty sure that was the intent based on context.
I’m curious how you come to this conclusion.
It's not just Viv he said all WI batsmen from the 80s. That's absurd and stupid. That's like me saying hey, Hooper made runs vs the Ws so he must be better vs pace than all Indian batsmen of the 90s...
Oh well he probably said that as an excuse for Kapil which is sad really.His post was slightly cut off but I’m pretty sure that was the intent based on context.
I’m curious how you come to this conclusion.
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Looks like they were friendlier
Lloyd did not average 75 in India just for someone to say Kapil is better against spin man
And like I said you’re still avoiding the hypothetical. In a future where Tendulkar and Lara look out of place in an ATG World XI would you be comfortable calling them not ATG players.
I can't remember anything memorable to spin really
His post was slightly cut off but I’m pretty sure that was the intent based on context.
I’m curious how you come to this conclusion.
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Looks like they were friendlier
typo. meant spin. AS you said his best works are all against pace