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Ricky Ponting vs Herbert Sutcliffe vs Sunil Gavaskar
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DrWolverine
International Debutant
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shortpitched713
International Captain
It's not so much where and on what they played, but rather on who they faced.
That's why Punter pretty handily for me here.
That's why Punter pretty handily for me here.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Sutcliffe at the WACA
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Ponting made most of his runs against dreadful attacks at flat home in games that weren't necessarily competitive, it's definitely not a point for him, it's kind of extra sus that his "prime" only began when all the attacks diminished.
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PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Punter
shortpitched713
International Captain
As have I.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Sunny is literally about to win
kyear2
International Coach
It's like this for me, what did you overcome. For Sutcliffe...
ATG attacks and bowlers? - No
Tough conditions? - flattest period of test cricket, so No
Modern rules? - played his entire career before the lbw rule changed, all but eliminating one possible way of getting out so again, No
One man army? - opened with the greatest batsman of all times, No
Had the ability to dominate bowlers? - scored at a underwhelming s/ r in the low 30's.
So basically he batted in the flattest of eras and conditions known to the game, in one of the weakest eras for fast bowling, played his entire career under the old lbw rule, in a strong batting line up, mostly between Hobbs (late 30's) and Hammond, and still couldn't dominate, trundling along at the low 30's while still not being seen as a match for either of the two H's he played with nor, subsequently the one that came after.
He was never rated alongside Hobbs, Hammond nor Hutton.
Can't be rated ahead of any of these two for me.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
You're overdoing it really
You're making it seem like he was just average all around and had nothing to seprate himself from a Hussey or a Hayden, but one can easily argue that Sutcliffe being one of the greatest masters of bad wickets is as big of an advantage as Ponting's ability to dominate attacks.
He was a slow Batsmen, but that also arguably helped Hammond and those around him, tiring out the bowlers and fighting off the early swing spam is usually a good thing
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Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
"Although he was a wonderful hooker" probably my favourite Cricket terminology
kyear2
International Coach
This is something that I don't understand and would love to have explained to me.
Everyone shits on Punter and (especially) Hayden, basically they only came good when the good bowlers left and the pitches flattened out.
Haydos opened and Punter came in at 3 and get no respect. But Gilchrist hit his peak (in a shorter career) during the same period, while batting at 7 behind the strongest batting line up of all time and he gets none of the same criticism.
Somehow Ponting is a fraud, but Gilchrist is the 3rd name on an AT sheet. Sure.......
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Well Gilchrist's inclusion is simply a resultant of him being the only one in history to be a ATVG bat while also being a great keeper proven to both an ATG pacer and a spinner, and is the perfect #7 wicket keeper, the only spot where realistically a WK can make the All Time XI.
I don't think anyone thinks Gilchrist is a great Batsmen, I doubt he'd beat someone like Kohli in a batting poll even.