subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
They lack the top level batting and bowling firepower. Their attack is all pacers who tend to attack and leak, batting isn't top tier level like Aus and WI and England.
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Would Botham make it to your England ATG XI?
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Northerner
School Boy/Girl Captain
Apart from Larwood and Tyson i have seen them all, My dad watched Larwood and told me just how good and how quick he was. Polly does not come close to him, the same with Tyson as for the others, Willis was most certainly better, ask the Aussie batsmen who they would rather not face i put Polly on a par with Broad and Anderson not better, no worse, also imo Snow, Bedser and Gough are in the equation too,
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Sliferxxxx
U19 Vice-Captain
Broad, Gough and Anderson in the same category as Pollock? In what world? And Tyson simply played far too few tests. Your dad can say whatever he wants but still be wrong. Quickness has absolutely no relevance to greatness (cough cough Brett Lee). I hope you're trolling....
Coronis
International Coach
You do realise we’re talking about Shaun and not Peter right?
Sliferxxxx
U19 Vice-Captain
He better be trolling because none of Gough, Broad, Willis etc are on the same level as Shaun Pollock.
kyear2
International Coach
Now I know you're trolling.
Top-level batting, are you serious?
Richards, Pollock and Kallis are legit ATG batsmen, deVillers a legit great and Nourse and Smith easily world class.
Bowling wise, I just saw lists that rated Tayfield as the 4th best spinner. Steyn is a top 4 bowler of all time and Donald is at least the equal to guys like Imran and Lillee. Procter had as much ability as anyone and brings versatility.
Easily bests England imo.
I have a list of 40 ATGs, so all pretty elite. The representatives for each team and some arguable inclusions in parentheses.
Aus.
Bradman | Smith | Chappell | Border | Gilchrist | Warne | Lillee | McGrath (Davidson)
W.I.
Headley | Richards | Lara | Sobers | Marshall | Ambrose | Holding (Greenidge | Walcott)
S.A.
Richards | Kallis | Pollock | Procter | Steyn | Donald (Smith | Tayfield)
Eng.
Hobbs | Hutton | Hammond | Knott (Trueman | Root)
Pak.
Imran | Wasim (Miandad | Waqar)
Ind.
Gavaskar | Tendulkar | Dravid | Bumrah (Ashwin)
There's a lot of quality in those first 3 teams
sayon basak
International Captain
Anderson is.
sayon basak
International Captain
Maybe he was talking about the firepower of the top level batting, Not the batting itself.
Coronis
International Coach
Not going to bother commenting on the obvious things but having Davidson as a borderline and not Lindwall strikes me as very off.
Sliferxxxx
U19 Vice-Captain
Mine is much stricter:
Aus:
Bradman, Chappell, Smith, Gilchrist, McGrath, Lillee, Warne, O'Reilly. On the fence: Waugh, Lindwall, Miller, Davidson, Grimmett, Ponting
Eng:
Hobbs, Hammond, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Barrington, Barnes, Trueman, Knott. On the fence: Laker, Verity, Root, Compton
WI
Headley, Sobers, Viv, Lara, Marshall, Ambrose. On the fence: Garner, Gibbs, Holding, Weekes, Walcott
RSA
Kallis, Pollock, Steyn, Pollock S Donald. On the fence: Tayfield, Faulkner, Adcock, Nourse, Rabada
NZ
Hadlee. Williamson on the fence
Pak
Wasim, Imran. On the fence: Waqar, Javed, Younis Khan
India
Sachin, Sunny. On the fence Ashwin, Bumrah, Dravid.
SL
Murali. Sanga on the fence
So I have 33 or so I consider bonafide atgs with the rest there or thereabout depending on my mood. Someone like Bumrah just needs a few more tests. I'm sure I'm forgetting a player or two fwiw.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
England simply have a higher quality top 5/6 than SA. 4 of them are in the top dozen bats as per CW.
SA with Steyn and Donald have more firepower but also are more capable of being collared.
Northerner
School Boy/Girl Captain
No i am not trolling and i live in the real world, i have seen far more cricket than you and a lot more objective than you, your biased opinion of Polly being a great and England not having a great 3rd paceman is just ridiculous, it does not matter that Tyson only played 19 tests, Graeme Pollock only played 20+ tests but was a great, and clearly you know nothing about Larwood, compare Broad and Andersons 5 wicket hauls to Pollys, not even close. i like Polly and rate him high, but your biased opinion is laughable. and clearly you have no clue. i didnt say Goughy was better than Polly either, i said he was in the equation of being a great bowler just like Snow and Bedser where, and i would pick Willis over Polly every day of the week, so yes England does have a great 3rd paceman, ask Viv Richards and Border if Willis was a great bowler, ask the Chappell brothers if Snow was a great bowler, ask Ponting and Gilchrist if Gough want a great bowler, ask Steve Smith if Anderson and Broad are great bowlers,
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Coronis
International Coach
Oh @subshakerz I was so used to you not having a profile pic in my head I thought it was you who posted this earlier. I thought you’d gone off the deep end.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
Subbs!!
That's a gorgeous straight drive you got there mate.
That's a gorgeous straight drive you got there mate.