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Faulkner vs Mike Procter

Better AR

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Johan

Johan

International Captain
shortpitched713 said:
An ancient dude vs a dude who played an extremely small number of Tests.

My guess is Procter would be something like a poor man's Shaun Pollock. He has gaudy numbers in FC, as a contemporary of Hadlee's, was a step below him as a bowler and a step above as a bat in the same CC competition. Similar to Hadlee I just don't expect his style of farming FC wickets at a less than absolute express speed to translate quite as well at Test level, while still being excellent for a bowling all-rounder.

Something like a ~29 average bat, and 24-25 with ball is what I would expect. Anyway, would take that kind of player over Faulkner.
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Faulkner averages 41 with the bat and 25 with the ball pre war, that's not beating Aubrey
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
sayon basak said:
You rate Procter higher than Pollock as an overall cricketer?
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Definitely. He could properly bat. (Hell he scored 6 tons in 6 consecutive innings in FC - Pollock scored 6 tons overall in almost 200 matches). At worst you could say he would’ve matched Pollock in bowling imo. Plus there’s the fact that he was quite a handy offspinner too which is often overlooked (in fact his best FC figures - 9/71 - came while bowling offspin), as well as an excellent fielder.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Captain
Coronis said:
Definitely. He could properly bat. (Hell he scored 6 tons in 6 consecutive innings in FC - Pollock scored 6 tons overall in almost 200 matches). At worst you could say he would’ve matched Pollock in bowling imo. Plus there’s the fact that he was quite a handy offspinner too which is often overlooked (in fact his best FC figures - 9/71 - came while bowling offspin), as well as an excellent fielder.
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Do you have his overall numbers as an off spinner? If not, could you just provide a number of other innings where he bowled off spin?
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
sayon basak said:
Do you have his overall numbers as an off spinner? If not, could you just provide a number of other innings where he bowled off spin?
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Unfortunately no. iirc he himself said he mainly bowled spin in WSC due to an injury, and his supertest figures are pretty quality.

“I bowled a lot of spin during the second year of WSC. My knee was playing up.”
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
sayon basak said:
Do you have his overall numbers in the unofficial tests?
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Meh they’re somewhere, I probably posted them on here at some point. cbf rn, quite tired. iirc I’m pretty sure I’ve read that he would often open the bowling and later in an innings bowl spin if the wicket was more favourable to his spin than pace. Anecdotally, he was also a high quality captain.

If only he bowled leg spin instead of offspin he’d be the ideal player.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
sayon basak said:
Faulkner wasn't a no.7 batsman.

SA XI:-
Barry Richards
Trevor Goddard
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
AB De Villiers+
Aubrey Faulkner
Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock
Hugh Tayfield
Dale Steyn
Allan Donald
12th man:- Dudley Nourse

Don't think the number of AR's should be a concern. If a team has a lot of great All rounders, the XI should reflect that.
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Wtf are you doing with Goddard opening??? The batting is too weak. Get Mitchell/Smith for him. Also Nourse makes the team for one of Faulkner/Procter/Pollock/Tayfield most certainly.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Captain
capt_Luffy said:
Wtf are you doing with Goddard opening??? The batting is too weak. Get Mitchell/Smith for him. Also Nourse makes the team for one of Faulkner/Procter/Pollock/Tayfield most certainly.
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Barlow ahead of any of those openers. And agree on Nourse.

I don't really care about the team strength. If the team looks relaxing to my eyes, it's a good team.
 
P

peterhrt

State 12th Man
sayon basak said:
Do you have his overall numbers in the unofficial tests?
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Procter only played one unofficial Test for South Africa. It was the first one, against England at Johannesburg in 1982. He was captain, scored 1 run and bowled six overs for six runs.

It seems he only bowled off-breaks (sometimes described as medium-pace off-cutters like Greig's) when unable to bowl fast through injury, or when the pitch was really worn.

Excerpt below from Alan Gibson piece written for Wisden in 1982. He was right about the Procter Stand, except that there are two of them.

Where does he stand among the all-rounders of cricket? I suppose Sobers must come before him, because Sobers was three different sorts of bowler, Procter only two. Sobers also had far more opportunities of demonstrating his skills at the highest level. Rhodes has a mighty pile of figures, in a very long career, but his best years as a batsman did not coincide with his best as a bowler. Sobers and Procter had to do both at the same time. Their careers were more concentrated. George Hirst, in 1906, scored 2,385 runs and took 208 wickets, something nobody had done before; and never will again while anything like the present system lasts. There can scarcely have been, ever, a better simultaneous all-rounder than Hirst was in 1906. I doubt if Sobers could have done it, even had he grown up to that sort of grind. He would have become bored. But Procter might have done. He had the strength and spirit for it.

Another great all-rounder, it is sometimes forgotten, was Grace. He towered above all other batsmen, in his prime, and by the time he had finished (giving himself, it must be admitted, lavish helpings of the bowling when he thought it appropriate) had taken more than 2,000 wickets. At the Bristol ground you enter the Grace Gates. You can visit the Hammond Suite, and stroll across to the Jessop Tavern. Within this century, I prophesy, you will be able to sit in the Procter Stand.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Mitchell /
Richards /
Kallis / o
Nourse /
Pollock /
de Villiers + /
Faulkner / o
Pollock o /
van der Bijl o
Tayfield o
Steyn o

Procter and Donald unlucky.
 
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