subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Who is the better AR and who would you select in an SA ATG XI?
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Faulkner vs Mike Procter
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Coronis
International Coach
If you look at tests, obviously Faulkner. tbh I’d say they’re pretty tight overall in FC. Ofc Faulkner played in a much different era so his bowling numbers are possibly a little misleading. But on the inverse so are his batting numbers. I’d probably just go Procter slightly, perhaps because of a little personal bias, him being my favourite player and all.
On who to pick in a SA ATG XI - again if tests, Procter doesn’t get a look in.
If I could only pick one of them, I’m picking Faulkner, he’s simply more valuable as SA have a bevy of top quality pace bowlers to choose from.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Wow I actually forgot that honestly. Thanks for sharing your opinion, I more or less agree.
sayon basak
International Captain
Look at his PFP.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I remember looking at it a while ago then forgot.
Coronis
International Coach
sayon basak
International Captain
Thinking so is actually an L for you.
Coronis
International Coach
The endless Ws for Procter - http://cricmash.com/feats/mike-procter-scores-sixth-first-class-hundreds-in-a-row
shortpitched713
International Captain
An ancient dude vs a dude who played an extremely small number of Tests.
My guess is Procter would be something like a poor man's Shaun Pollock. He has gaudy numbers in FC, as a contemporary of Hadlee's, was a step below him as a bowler and a step above as a bat in the same CC competition. Similar to Hadlee I just don't expect his style of farming FC wickets at a less than absolute express speed to translate quite as well at Test level, while still being excellent for a bowling all-rounder.
Something like a ~29 average bat, and 24-25 with ball is what I would expect. Anyway, would take that kind of player over Faulkner.
My guess is Procter would be something like a poor man's Shaun Pollock. He has gaudy numbers in FC, as a contemporary of Hadlee's, was a step below him as a bowler and a step above as a bat in the same CC competition. Similar to Hadlee I just don't expect his style of farming FC wickets at a less than absolute express speed to translate quite as well at Test level, while still being excellent for a bowling all-rounder.
Something like a ~29 average bat, and 24-25 with ball is what I would expect. Anyway, would take that kind of player over Faulkner.
Coronis
International Coach
Wow. This is just, so bad.
sayon basak
International Captain
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Seems excessive. To me either one is making no. 7. How many ARs would you have in the XI?
sayon basak
International Captain
Faulkner wasn't a no.7 batsman.
SA XI:-
Barry Richards
Trevor Goddard
Jacques Kallis
Graeme Pollock
AB De Villiers+
Aubrey Faulkner
Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock
Hugh Tayfield
Dale Steyn
Allan Donald
12th man:- Dudley Nourse
Don't think the number of AR's should be a concern. If a team has a lot of great All rounders, the XI should reflect that.
Coronis
International Coach
Does the name Graeme Pollock mean nothing to you? Dump one Pollock for another imo. Goddard for Smith too for that matter. Steyn/Donald/Procter/Tayfield/Kallis/Faulkner is easily more than enough
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
You don't need six regular bowling options (seven with Kallis,) and should have Nourse there for one of the ARs.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't see how Shaun Pollock is droppable. You need that type of bowler compared to other pacers.
Coronis
International Coach
Sorry but if you have Steyn, Donald, Procter and Pollock, Pollock is easily the drop
sayon basak
International Captain
You rate Procter higher than Pollock as an overall cricketer?