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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Gob

Gob

International Coach
Qlder said:
An Aussie XI to go on their first tour to India having never played there.

1. Morris
2. Ponsford
3. Bradman (c)
4. G.Chappell
5. Harvey
6. Miller
7. Marsh +
8. Grimmett
9. Lillee
10. Thomson
11. O'Reilly
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Would be hilarious when Jadeja bowls Bradman through the gate with the straight one
 
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Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
Been thinking about what my all-time eleven would be among players who retired after 1970 (considering their careers as a whole).

In my mind, I prefer teams that try to win, rather than to avoid losing, so I’m for aggressive batters, bowlers with high strike rates, and a broadly win-minded approach. I’ll go through my eleven and then justify it. Note: I’m evaluating players cumulatively over their careers, rather than merely their peaks.
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Gordon Greenidge
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Steve Smith
  6. Garry Sobers
  7. Adam Gilchrist †
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Malcolm Marshall
  10. Shane Warne
  11. Dale Steyn
The openers: Barry Richards, in my mind, is the best first-class opener of this period. His contemporaries considered him the most talented batter of his generation, perhaps surpassing Viv. I actually suspect Gavaskar was a better opener than Greenidge—but for the approach I’m taking with my side, I prefer batters who can attack even pretty good deliveries and take risks, so I picked Greenidge anyway.

The middle order: Viv speaks for himself. I think Tendulkar’s probably a marginally better batsman than Lara, but I needed a left-hander. Smith isn’t quite so aggressive as the rest of my top five—although our standards for aggression have increased over time, and he’s more than capable of dispatching away good balls and scoring at 60ish rates on form—but as far as I’m concerned, he’s the best Test batter since Bradman.

The all-rounders: I picked Sobers over Kallis for someone who can dominate bowling attacks in that position, and for an additional left-hander. I considered picking a pure wicketkeeper like Knott to strengthen the bowling, but I reckon Gilchrist’s presence also frees up the earlier batters to bat with freedom.

The bowlers: Akram might be marginally worse than the likes of Khan/Hadlee/McGrath/Lillee/Ambrose, but having a somewhat more unpredictable left-armer—more variations, swinging it both ways, reverse swinging the old ball, able to swing it or bowl yorkers at pace—seems worth it to me, even though Sobers offers another left-arm option. I’m open to being convinced that Sobers is enough and McGrath’s too good to be excluded. As far as I’m concerned, though, Warne, Marshall, and Murali are the three greatest bowlers of all time—except perhaps Sydney Barnes—and Steyn is the second-best fast bowler of this period. I ended up excluding Murali as I consider Warne marginally better.
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
Australia - definitely not
Bangladesh - obviously yes
England - Ames/Knott/Bairstow/Prior -there is an argument for him
India - Dhoni/Pant - there is an argument for him
New Zealand - Watling - there is an argument for him
Pakistan - Safraz/Rizwan - there is an argument for him
South Africa - this one seems unlikely if AB has the gloves but if its QDK or Boucher then there is an argument for him
Sri Lanka - Chandimal/Prasanna? - there is an argument for him
West Indies - Walcott/Dujon - there is an argument for him
Zimbabwe - it's kind of funny that he wouldn't make this as a keeper necessarily but definitely would as a batsman alone
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Tejretics said:
Been thinking about what my all-time eleven would be among players who retired after 1970 (considering their careers as a whole).

In my mind, I prefer teams that try to win, rather than to avoid losing, so I’m for aggressive batters, bowlers with high strike rates, and a broadly win-minded approach. I’ll go through my eleven and then justify it. Note: I’m evaluating players cumulatively over their careers, rather than merely their peaks.
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Gordon Greenidge
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Steve Smith
  6. Garry Sobers
  7. Adam Gilchrist †
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Malcolm Marshall
  10. Shane Warne
  11. Dale Steyn
The openers: Barry Richards, in my mind, is the best first-class opener of this period. His contemporaries considered him the most talented batter of his generation, perhaps surpassing Viv. I actually suspect Gavaskar was a better opener than Greenidge—but for the approach I’m taking with my side, I prefer batters who can attack even pretty good deliveries and take risks, so I picked Greenidge anyway.

The middle order: Viv speaks for himself. I think Tendulkar’s probably a marginally better batsman than Lara, but I needed a left-hander. Smith isn’t quite so aggressive as the rest of my top five—although our standards for aggression have increased over time, and he’s more than capable of dispatching away good balls and scoring at 60ish rates on form—but as far as I’m concerned, he’s the best Test batter since Bradman.

The all-rounders: I picked Sobers over Kallis for someone who can dominate bowling attacks in that position, and for an additional left-hander. I considered picking a pure wicketkeeper like Knott to strengthen the bowling, but I reckon Gilchrist’s presence also frees up the earlier batters to bat with freedom.

The bowlers: Akram might be marginally worse than the likes of Khan/Hadlee/McGrath/Lillee/Ambrose, but having a somewhat more unpredictable left-armer—more variations, swinging it both ways, reverse swinging the old ball, able to swing it or bowl yorkers at pace—seems worth it to me, even though Sobers offers another left-arm option. I’m open to being convinced that Sobers is enough and McGrath’s too good to be excluded. As far as I’m concerned, though, Warne, Marshall, and Murali are the three greatest bowlers of all time—except perhaps Sydney Barnes—and Steyn is the second-best fast bowler of this period. I ended up excluding Murali as I consider Warne marginally better.
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Greenidge had a SR whole 5 runs faster than Gavaskar.......
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Tejretics said:
Been thinking about what my all-time eleven would be among players who retired after 1970 (considering their careers as a whole).

In my mind, I prefer teams that try to win, rather than to avoid losing, so I’m for aggressive batters, bowlers with high strike rates, and a broadly win-minded approach. I’ll go through my eleven and then justify it. Note: I’m evaluating players cumulatively over their careers, rather than merely their peaks.
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Gordon Greenidge
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Steve Smith
  6. Garry Sobers
  7. Adam Gilchrist †
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Malcolm Marshall
  10. Shane Warne
  11. Dale Steyn
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Curious
 
F

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Athlai said:
Australia - definitely not
Bangladesh - obviously yes
England - Ames/Knott/Bairstow/Prior -there is an argument for him
India - Dhoni/Pant - there is an argument for him
New Zealand - Watling - there is an argument for him
Pakistan - Safraz/Rizwan - there is an argument for him
South Africa - this one seems unlikely if AB has the gloves but if its QDK or Boucher then there is an argument for him
Sri Lanka - Chandimal/Prasanna? - there is an argument for him
West Indies - Walcott/Dujon - there is an argument for him
Zimbabwe - it's kind of funny that he wouldn't make this as a keeper necessarily but definitely would as a batsman alone
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Bairstow!!!!????
 
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Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
My XI is quite conventional. I have absolutely no idea of the players who played before WW2 (except the popular ones) and so I'll just go with this:

Lennard Hutton, Jack Hobbs, Don Bradman, Sachin Tendulkar, AB de Villiers, Adam Gilchrist, Imran Khan, Richard Hadlee, Malcolm Marshall, Shane Warne, Joel Garner

This is completely biased and not objective, although I don't know how you can be objective. It's ridiculous to compare AB de Villiers with someone who played a 100 years before him. The pace of bowlers, pitches, rules, length of test matches, batting orders, everything was so ridiculously different for me to make a logical comparison.

I mean, I see guys picking players in the 1860s and 70s of whom we have nothing but just descriptions of players who've watched them live in first class cricket. We probably dont even have in depth numbers of these guys. That sounds a bit ridiculous to me. People who watched Vinod Kambli bat in first class cricket probably thought he's the greatest ever. Turns out, he was a mile away from it. Shubman Gill is an absolute best whenever he played first class cricket. Can't put him in all time test xis isn't it?
 
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