Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Nah
Chatfield
Mills
Henry
Larsen
Santner
Pringle
Allott
Oram
Morrison
Harris
all better imo
Could possibly argue for the likes of Lance Cairns, Snedden, Tuffey, McClenaghan...
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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Chatfield
Mills
Henry
Larsen
Santner
Pringle
Allott
Oram
Morrison
Harris
all better imo
Could possibly argue for the likes of Lance Cairns, Snedden, Tuffey, McClenaghan...
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Excellent in the 2011 WC under Allan Donald and that performance against England in 2015 was amazing, but ODIs were his worst format by miles.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
Allott was a real gun. Shame he didn't play more.
thierry henry
International Coach
I think Mills suffers from the fact that he had a horror run in World Cups and somehow conspired to more or less miss them entirely despite his career encompassing 4 of them. Just horror luck with injuries, and of course in 2015 he had done more than enough to earn selection but it's hard to argue with the selectors' call in retrospect.
I still think he deserves more respect because he played most of his ODI career in an era when those matches were relatively meaningful to NZ supporters.
I still think he deserves more respect because he played most of his ODI career in an era when those matches were relatively meaningful to NZ supporters.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Quality ODI bowler. Better than Matt Henry. Miles better than Southee.
thierry henry
International Coach
This could just be selective memory from an era when we were short of pacey bowlers, but I honestly think peak Mills was a yard quicker than he’s remembered as being too. With his height he used to bowl an uncomfortable length with the new ball and he’d hit the splice if there was anything in the pitch. Unfortunately once the ball was 40 overs old and he came back bowling a yard slower at the death, his trajectory became very hittable.
Zinzan
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Agree, I'd include all of your main list above, & there's a decent argument for those after-thoughts too.
I'd also add Ferguson, whose average & SR is better than Southee & his EC of 5.68 I'd argue is superior than Southee's 5.53 too considering their respective eras.
I feel it would be extremely charitable to include Southee in NZ's top 10 AT ODI bowlers, unless you place a high weighting on longevity.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, I thought about including Ferguson. If he performs in the CT I probably would.
Zinzan
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You'll never hear that from me, I always had Mills bracketed with Chatfield in my AT NZ side with Hadlee, Bond & Cairns (as AR), until Boult took that spot away from him.
Zinzan
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Actually if my memory serves he was just okay until that amazing WC in 1999 when he was equal top wicket taker with Warne despite playing 1 game less. Those of us old enough will remember that came out of nowhere at that time.
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HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Allott used to infuriate me - but mainly because he'd get selected for the Test team based on his ODI exploits and then repeatedly fail.
Bahnz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Didn't play much, but he was always a low-20's average bowler. Was just stuck behind the likes of Doull, Nash, O'Connor, Cairns etc. When he was finally given an extended run in the side in the 98/99 home season he took a ton of wickets against SA and India. I think he'd still only played about 15 ODI's going into the world cup though.
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Which is weird since all of those bar Cairns had very poor ODI records.
Bahnz
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Allott did nothing in tests, so it was probably presumed that he'd therefore do nothing in Odi's. But yeah, looks weird in retrospect.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Cairns was also a very poor ODI bowler.
Moss
International Captain
If we use the Champions Trophy as a yardstick there's every suggestion Mills was a big game player too, especially against the Aussies. Took a 4-wicket haul in the 2006 semis to keep AUS to a gettable total (NZ batting completely flopped in response), and in the 2009 final Bond and he bowled fantastic test match style spells with the new ball, unfortunately they had only 200 to defend.
Moss
International Captain
That peak was very rarely seen in ODIs though. Even in the 2015 World Cup, aside from the England game he was pretty much taken apart. Which was a shame, he definitely had the tools to be a top ODI bowler but his overall body of work in ODIs isn't particularly defensible.
jcas0167
International Regular
I vaguely remember he had done something with his action that season (maybe with Ashley Ross) which enabled him to swing the ball back into the right hander.