*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[NZTailender]

Just realised I mislabelled the years in the original post - 2024/25 are the first columns whilst 2022/23 are the last columns (2023/24 by dumb luck is correct in the middle)

Anyway I've deleted the 2022/23 season and added the strike rates for the relevant parties

Player	2024/25 matches	Runs/Ave	SR	Dis/Inns	2023/24	Runs/Ave	SR	Dis/Inns
D Cleaver	7	107 @ 17.83	86.29	1.666	9	152 @ 19.25	80.20	2.111
CR McLachlan	7	65 @ 10.83	61.90	1.428	9	167 @ 18.55	92.77	0.888
T Seifert	3	110 @ 36.66	101.85	2.333	8	199 @ 28.42	87.28	1.285
M Hay	6	82 @ 13.66	77.35	1.2	10	257 @ 25.70	74.70	1.3
MW Chu	7	191 @ 31.83	98.96	0.857	10	97 @ 16.16	82.20	1.444
CD Fletcher	7	256 @ 51.20	86.48	0.833	12	274 @ 45.66	81.06	1

This season by position

	D Cleaver		CR McLachlan		T Seifert		M Hay		MW Chu		CD Fletcher
Round	Position	Score	Position	Score	Position	Score	Position	Score	Position	Score	Position	Score
1	4	0 (1)	6	29 (61)	3	6 (9)	4	0 (5)	7	32 (44)	6	17 (23)
2	6	8 (5)	6	7 (5)	3	102 (87)	4	2 (4)	7	17 (22)	7	20 (47)
3	4	25* (30)#	No Result		DNP		Match Abandoned		7	28 (32)	6	17 (14)
4	6	19 (11)	6	24 (27)	3	2 (12)	4	0 (2)	7	34 (34)	6	DNB
5	4	4 (15)	6	0 (1)	DNP		4	20 (39)	7	46 (41)	5	67* (62)
6	2	45 (56)	7	2 (3)	DNP		4	56 (42)%	6	9 (8)	4	80 (76)
7	1	6 (6)	7	3 (8)	DNP		4	4 (14)	6	25 (33)	5	55 (74)

# not out due to rain and no result
% Did not keep - Matt Boyle listed as keeper

Chu the Chu-oice if you want a late order hitter, Fletcher if you want more a straight middle order swap for Latham

Not going to keep updating it as thoroughly but 4 out of 6 keepers had a mare this week and the 2 that didn't were, quelle surprise, Fletcher and Chu.

 

[ataraxia]

Ben Horne was actually a huge loss as far as options go

Big gain for commentary though.

 

[Prince EWS]

OK since I have clearly too much time on my hands tonight, I did a bit of a deep dive into the Ford Trophy form of all our wicket keepers for the last 3 seasons. Those who kept in 1 innings of a season (Finn Allen, Matt Boyle, C00per, Foxcroft) have been excluded, as has Cole Briggs who hasn't kept in Ford Trophy since 2022/23 season.

Player	2022/23 matches	Runs/Ave	Dis/Inns	2023/24	Runs/Ave	Dis/Inns	2024/25*	Runs/Ave	Dis/Inns
D Cleaver	7	107 @ 17.83	1.666	9	152 @ 19.25	2.111	10	298 @ 33.11	1.6
CR McLachlan	7	65 @ 10.83	1.428	9	167 @ 18.55	0.888	2	28 @ 14	1.5
T Seifert	3	110 @ 36.66	2.333	8	199 @ 28.42	1.285	9	349 @ 43.62	1.777
M Hay	6	82 @ 13.66	1.2	10	257 @ 25.70	1.3	5	118 @ 23.60	1
MW Chu	7	191 @ 31.83	0.857	10	97 @ 16.16	1.444	11	188 @ 26.85	1.8
CD Fletcher	7	256 @ 51.20	0.833	12	274 @ 45.66	1	6	116 @ 23.20	1.333
BJ Pomare	3	68 @ 22.66	0.666	1	0 @ 0	0	N/A	N/A	N/A
BJ Horne	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	7	90 @ 18	1
TA Blundell	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	6	140 @ 23.33	1.2
TWM Latham	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	4	118 @ 39.33	4.333

Observations:

• Dismissals probably really don't mean jack on the surface of it
• Cleaver's form is mirroring that of Latham ODI efforts over time - I had advocated for him in another thread, but nah
• No offence to McLachlan but if you wanted to break into a side as a keeper, move to Wellington
• Seiferts numbers surprised me. I know he's not flash with the gloves but if he didn't become a gun for hire and spent more time in the Ford Trophy this year, he'd possibly be on a plane to Pakistan this weekend
• Fletcher could probably feel aggrieved to not be given a chance by now in the ODI squad

Seifert is definitely the best bat IMO but his keeping is shoddy and he has to open, both which would count against him. It'd be like picking Finn Allen to do it in a way.

 

[NZTailender]

Big gain for commentary though.

And One Eyed Jacks is doing its best business since he can focus on the day to day operations more closely.

 

[TheBrand]

And One Eyed Jacks is doing its best business since he can focus on the day to day operations more closely.

Excellent reference.....and HOT!

 

[NZTailender]

Based

 

[Athlai]

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Hard to fault really. Astle maybe should miss out and Baz open as well with another batting all rounder coming in like Styris himself.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

CHAMPIONS
TROPHY 2025 PAKISTAN

 

[Moss]

I'm assuming SS has a good reason for not including Hadlee, would like to hear it. Seeing Crowe is in there , apparently no restrictions on players who turned out for NZ before Styris's time.

Looks like Southee continues to get a free pass in ODI sides even after his career is done. Mills or Henry above him any day, and even Pringle or Chatfield would round off that attack better than he does. Someone like Oram at no.8 might even be better for the balance of the side. (RJH if included just renders all of them redundant, but anyway).

Good selections otherwise.

 

[Chewie]

the nz flags are really needed in that pic

 

[NZTailender]

the nz flags are really needed in that pic

I thought that as well, though it does create a visual balance design wise. Maybe their career averages could've been there instead.

 

[NZTailender]

Hard to fault really. Astle maybe should miss out and Baz open as well with another batting all rounder coming in like Styris himself.

I'd drop Southee for Hadlee myself

 

[wellAlbidarned]

yeah southee in an odi ATG is a real wtf

 

[Mike5181]

Mitchell's probably not far away. Conway probably has the best average of an opener but not enough runs. Ravindra, Phillips potential picks in the future. Southee is kind of a joke pick with Hadlee available, even Henry/Mills would be far ahead.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Apart from Southee it is a pretty decent team.
If Mitchell and Santner have great CTs both would also be a chance to make it along with a few from the past.

I wouldn't even put Southee in NZ's top 15 ODI bowlers, let alone an all time team.

 

[Athlai]

Peak Southee is definitely a top ODI bowler, maybe not ahead of Bond, Boult, Hadlee or Vettori but probably the rest

 

[wellAlbidarned]

bruh he averaged almost 34 with an econ of 5.5 over 160 games he just sucked at ODIs

 

[Immenso]

Could pick an 11 containing 10 all time greats, plus the yellow wiggle. And it would makes as much sense as that Styris 11 10+1. That was weird

 

[Bahnz]

bruh he averaged almost 34 with an econ of 5.5 over 160 games he just sucked at ODIs

He was averaging around 30 up to the 2015 World Cup. Once he lost a yard and became more of a specialist swing bowler his effectiveness as an ODI bowler completely evaporated, but he was decent enough to begin with. No question that selecting a guy in your all time XI who couldn't even make the first choice side for the majority of his career is a bit of a wtf call from Styris.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

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