McGrath vs Hadlee vs Wasim vs Pollock as test cricketers?

[Fuller Pilch]

From 1970-2023, NewZealand have played 24 Tests in India. They won just one match. Hadlee took 10 wickets in that match.

Santner (13 in a win) & Ajaz (11 in a win plus 10-fer/14 in a loss)> Hadlee

 

[subshakerz]

Zero context given and I have to choose one of them for my team, I'm choosing McGrath.

Don't dodge the point. How is their bowling not close enough that Hadlees batting isn't a decider?

And don't give this 'McGrath in a no.1 team's nonsense. Hadlee literally put NZ on the map and was their seminal figure.

 

[kyear2]

When it's convenient for you, you choose to downplay McGraths role. When not, you promote him as central. The issue here is you are using your argument against Hadlee, the guy who was much more essential for his team success.

Let's see if this makes sense to you.

For most comparisons this is a plus for McGrath and Marshall, they were the QBs for those great teams the ones who drove the bus.

In a comparison between each other, then yes, McGrath had the greatest batting line up ever.

I'm not downplaying his role.

And that was but one of the reasons I provided.

I think McGrath is better, even if so very slightly.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm not downplaying his role.

Dude I gave you your quotes, you were downplaying McGraths centrality to make Marshall seem better and were rightly roasted for that asinine take.

Now you reverse your narrative on McGrath against Hadlee who singlehandedly made NZ a top side of the 80s. Absurd.

 

[Coronis]

Zero context given and I have to choose one of them for my team, I'm choosing McGrath.

Now if Bumrah elevates himself to top tier and makes and AT XI, I may be inclined not to play McGrath and Bumrah together, and play Hadlee instead of McGrath, but outside of that.... It's McGrath, I just think him and Marshall separates himself themselves from Hadlee a little bit.

iirc you just recently derided people for saying there was a clear gap between Sachin and Sobers. But its ok for there to be a clear gap between Marshall/McGrath and Hadlee right?

 

[subshakerz]

iirc you just recently derided people for saying there was a clear gap between Sachin and Sobers. But its ok for there to be a clear gap between Marshall/McGrath and Hadlee right?

He doesn't mind being heretical as long as it's not his creed he is blaspheming.

I would like to see his definition of 'clear' here.

 

[akilana]

Hadlee

Bowling
Akram > Hadlee > Mcgrath >> Pollock

Batting
Hadlee > Pollock > Akram >> Mcgrath

Overall
Hadlee > Akram > Mcgrath >> Pollock

there's no way wasim was the best bowler of that list. he's in the same class with pollock

 

[capt_Luffy]

there's no way wasim was the best bowler of that list. he's in the same class with pollock

Tbf @Pap Finn Keighl has MUCH Better opinions compared to you

 

[ankitj]

At their peak, WestIndies lost just one test series in 15 years. It was to NewZealand and Richard Hadlee played an important part.

Richard Hadlee took 3-58, 4-75, 5-34, 6-68 and also scored one fifty and a century in that series.

In the last 50 years, NewZealand and Australia have played 13 Test series. The one time they won, it involved Richard Hadlee.

Richard Hadlee in that series :
5-65, 5-65, 6-71, 6-90, 9-52,
111 runs including a fifty.

From 1970-2023, NewZealand have played 24 Tests in India. They won just one match. Hadlee took 10 wickets in that match.

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Really impressive. Imran's list of series awards is similarly impressive. That's why these two are my top 2 cricketers from 1980s.

 

[Johan]

Tbf @Pap Finn Keighl has MUCH Better opinions compared to you

that's crazy

 

[capt_Luffy]

that's crazy

Yet completely true

 

[Fanboy375]

century in that series

I heard Jarrod said in that match umpire were biased and WI bowlers stopped trying to take wickets

 

[Fanboy375]

why legendary Polly at last? He was the better batter of all?

Pollock should be in 3rd.Mcgrath isn't as effective batsman like Wasim but Wasim isn't as good batsman as Hadlee or Pollock.

 

[subshakerz]

I heard Jarrod said in that match umpire were biased and WI bowlers stopped trying to take wickets

Even Hadlee doesn't rate his ton in that game.

Fred Goodall the umpire was NZ's 12th man.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I heard Jarrod said in that match umpire were biased and WI bowlers stopped trying to take wickets

Biased umpires so bowlers stopped going for wickets is honestly one of the worst defences possible.

 

[subshakerz]

Biased umpires so bowlers stopped going for wickets is honestly one of the worst defences possible.

Hadlee himself above says it was an easy, hollow hundred he scored.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hadlee himself above says it was an easy, hollow hundred he scored.

Saying the umpiring was very biased and so points should be deducted is fine. Saying bowlers stopped going for wickets is nonsense, and if they did it's on them.

 

[subshakerz]

Saying the umpiring was very biased and so points should be deducted is fine. Saying bowlers stopped going for wickets is nonsense, and if they did it's on them.

They clearly didnt take the game seriously. So you can't rate it as a quality knock.

 

[Johan]

Pollock should be in 3rd.Mcgrath isn't as effective batsman like Wasim but Wasim isn't as good batsman as Hadlee or Pollock.

McGrath is a better bowler by a large margin

 

[Fanboy375]

If one remove Wasim century vs zim he average 20 with bat