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**Official** Pakistan Tri-Nation Series

jcas0167

jcas0167

International Regular
SteveNZ said:
It's just an incredible waste of a position. GP bats one too low at 6 (and is batting 5 anyway because Latham can't score a run) and Bracewell is more than capable of batting 6. Yes, it allows those guys to play as finishers which they're really good at, and Santner is too hit and miss, but he's a busted arse, Latham. He's clogging up a spot and I can't see a world in which he either a) plays a good enough middle overs innings or definitely b) he finishes well.

After this summer, I actually don't think Hay nor Chu are ready, Blundell is basically done, Cleaver is overrated by anyone who lives in the middle third of the country and Fletcher got in the frame then trailed off completely. It's a pretty bare cupboard right now, to be honest in white ball.

But yeah, **** it's hard to get dropped in the Stead era if you are a big name. Apart from Wags. Bizarre, really, given he'd have been the biggest voice pushing back against it
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Finn Allen white ball keeper :-)
 
Skyliner

Skyliner

International Debutant
Latham is an experienced tourist, always a great contributor to team meetings and team culture, knows what's expected and is never late for the bus or in breach of team rules, moreover he is close personal friends with many of the established guys in the team & is a helluva good bloke. Are you really going to throw all of that away for someone who may score more runs, but doesn't yet make the grade in all those other areas?
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
straw man said:
I actually like a 6/7/8 of Phillips/Bracewell/Santner, with Santner's batting having improved in the last couple of seasons too. It's the best ODI finishing lineup we've had in aaaages, probably since back when we had Oram and McCullum there, before Oram forgot how to hold a bat.

I would still have replaced Latham. Sure Hay and Chu might not be quiiiite there yet, but NZ doesn't usually expect the new guy to be a finished product when first selected. We gave Hay a chance so I would probably have persisted with him - sure it's not quite enough time leading into a tournament for his development, but it's only the Champions Trophy, noone gives that much of a ****.
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Yeah I can 100% see the viewpoint of people who like that 6-7-8. And if you've got a functioning 5 below Kane and Mitchell, it's absolutely ideal. But I don't like that 5 being someone who isn't justifying their existence, especially when our 6 and 7 can score ODI hundreds.

I think Hay is the guy in ODIs, I'd want him at 5 not any lower. I don't think he's a natural death hitter. If he can bat 5, and have time, I think that's his game. And I think he's our Test keeper long-term. Chu, I think is the T20I guy but if they want Hay for all, I understand. Maybe T20s will expand his game to be dangerous at the death.

One thing I will argue with you on is giving an F about the Champions Trophy. I care. It's a major tournament, proper 50 over cricket, against the world's best sides. I massively care. I know I'm probably not in the majority, but I'll be glued.

I just look at 50-over cricket and it makes me annoyed at humans. In the 80s and 90s, and into most of the 00s, we loved ODI cricket. The greatest days of my life were on the terraces for ODI games. What's changed? Nothing apart from our attention span. We had an amazing product and we cannibalised it with lame, unmemorable cricket. I hate that.
 
Moss

Moss

International Captain
Burgey said:
Gotta give credit to Pakistan for a good old fashioned ODI triseries, albeit abbreviated. Love to see it. Should happen more often.
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Agreed. What chances of AUS bringing it back, maybe in the T20 format?

But I think South Africa sending an under-strength side shows why these are never going to be a regular thing.
 
Burgey

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Moss said:
Agreed. What chances of AUS bringing it back, maybe in the T20 format?

But I think South Africa sending an under-strength side shows why these are never going to be a regular thing.
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Yeah with SA back in international cricket and now three formats being played, the available visiting sides for a southern hemisphere summer triseries drops a significant proportion. With NZ, Aus and SA all playing tests at around the same time, there's only so many other teams available to play in one.

Like you said, if it's going to come back, it will likely be in T20
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
Burgey said:
Gotta give credit to Pakistan for a good old fashioned ODI triseries, albeit abbreviated. Love to see it. Should happen more often.
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Man , I miss waking up to watch SA in the Victoria Bitter Tri-Series between us, you guys and the Kiwis. Some of the best times for ODI cricket.

Also can't forget the random ODI tri-series we played in Sharjah or Morocco or Nairobi ha
 
Burgey

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SeamUp said:
Man , I miss waking up to watch SA in the Victoria Bitter Tri-Series between us, you guys and the Kiwis. Some of the best times for ODI cricket.

Also can't forget the random ODI tri-series we played in Sharjah or Morocco or Nairobi ha
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Haha yeah they were great times. Honestly if you were a proper cricket lover there was usually a game like 4 days a week. Was brilliant
 
Kenneth Viljoen

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
SeamUp said:
Man , I miss waking up to watch SA in the Victoria Bitter Tri-Series between us, you guys and the Kiwis. Some of the best times for ODI cricket.

Also can't forget the random ODI tri-series we played in Sharjah or Morocco or Nairobi ha
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Tri Series were so much fun ..Should be brought back in my opinion, if test nations aren't available why not just add an associate team. Namibia , Nepal, Netherlands, Scotland, USA you'd be helping World cricket and making odis interesting again ..a place like Nepal which gets packed stadiums would be the ideal place to host tri series in Asia for example
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
While watching the match yesterday, I realized that is the first time I have actually seen Shamsi play (coz you'd remember that bowling action if you'd seen it before).

Just assume I would have seen him before, because his profile says he's played 120 odd international matches of various formats.
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
SeamUp said:
Also can't forget the random ODI tri-series we played in Sharjah or Morocco or Nairobi ha
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I reckon 99.94% of fans could forget those tri series in Morocco and Nairibia 99.94 seconds after they finished.

Hence the decline of the format, the jamming.
 
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