Bradman vs Hypothetical Player

[DrWolverine]

Let’s us assume a scenario where we are going to see a batsman in the next 20 years who will easily surpass the likes of Sachin, Smith, Viv & Sobers. He is going to average 20+ runs more than them and score runs and centuries at an even faster rate and as usual 2nd best will be averaging 55.

Bradman(1928-1948)
52 Tests
80 innings
Avg of 99.94
29 centuries(A century per 2.7 innings)

Hypothetical player(2025-2045)
100 Tests
160 innings
Avg of 85
47 tons(A century per 3.4 innings)

For reference : Smith and Sachin score one century for every 6 innings.

Will you consider him better than Bradman because he played in the modern era?

Or is Bradman still the greatest because he is significantly ahead of this new guy?

 

[sayon basak]

Let’s us assume a scenario where we are going to see a batsman in the next 20 years who will easily surpass the likes of Sachin, Smith, Viv & Sobers. He is going to average 20+ runs more than them and score runs and centuries at an even faster rate and as usual 2nd best will be averaging 55.

Bradman(1928-1948)
52 Tests
80 innings
Avg of 99.94
29 centuries(A century per 2.7 innings)

Hypothetical player(2025-2045)
100 Tests
160 innings
Avg of 85
47 tons(A century per 3.4 innings)

For reference : Smith and Sachin score one century for every 6 innings.

Will you consider him better than Bradman because he played in the modern era?

Or is Bradman still the greatest because he is significantly ahead of this new guy?

Does the hypothetical player plays only against BAN/ZIM?

 

[DrWolverine]

Does the hypothetical player plays only against BAN/ZIM?

Averages 80 against/in everyone
100+ against/in Bang, Zim(10% of Tests)

 

[centurymaker]

Easily better than Bradman.

Let's do another poll with 70 or 75 avg batter.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Isn’t this like picking Chanderpaul over Hobbs?

 

[DrWolverine]

Isn’t this like picking Chanderpaul over Hobbs?

Was Chanderpaul averaging 20+ over the next best batsman of his era?

 

[DrWolverine]

Easily better than Bradman.

Let's do another poll with 70 or 75 avg batter.

Done

 

[Johan]

The Hypothetical on the condition that he isn't a minnow basher

 

[sayon basak]

Isn’t this like picking Chanderpaul over Hobbs?

Doesn't make any sense lol.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The Hypothetical on the condition that he isn't a minnow basher

Tbf no one bashed minnows like Don. 270 vs SA and 170 vs India...... Yikes.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Bradman is still farther ahead of his peers than the 85 average player is of his peers right?

 

[Johan]

Tbf no one bashed minnows like Don. 270 vs SA and 170 vs India...... Yikes.

Bradman bashed everyone

 

[sayon basak]

Bradman is still farther ahead of his peers than the 85 average player right?

Hammond averaged 58. Don averaged 100.

The hypothetical player averages 85. Let's say, the second best player will average 50.

Not enough gap difference to lean towards anybody by this metric. We'd have to look for match by match or series by series performance. As Wolverine said that he averages 80 vs everybody (Don didn't manage that somehow), and assuming he plays against the strong opponents of his time for more than 69% of his career, I guess the hypothetical player has a good shout.

It'd still be close either way tho.

 

[DrWolverine]

Is it possible for the mods to close this thread and have a discussion in this thread?

Bradman vs Hypothetical Batsman

Let’s us assume a scenario where we are going to see a batsman in the next 20 years. This batsman will easily be ahead of the likes of Sachin, Smith, Viv, Sobers but still significantly behind Bradman. Bradman(1928-1948) 52 Tests 80 innings Avg of 99.94 29 centuries(A century per 2.7 innings)...

www.cricketweb.net

Looks like a better battle

 

[ataraxia]

This is really close IMO and reflecting that, I think this poll will end up closer than the other one. This hypothetical superhuman has a few points in his favour:

• Bradman was a massive outlier in an era in which it was moderately easier to be a massive outlier than today
• It's particularly difficult to establish longevity for modern players compared to 100 years ago – besides Mushfiqur, the last 20-year batting career was Chanderpaul and he was something of an outlier himself
• Bradman played in a flatter era than most

 

[Fanboy375]

We don't know how batting friendly the pitch will be in future.But if pitches will be similar to now and Bradman played there will be likely to average at best 68-70.

 

[Coronis]

I choose Bradman

 

[Athlai]

We don't know how batting friendly the pitch will be in future.But if pitches will be similar to now and Bradman played there will be likely to average at best 68-70.

Didn't read the OP

 

[Athlai]

Bangers already have a pretty good attack tbh

 

[Migara]

Hammond averaged 58. Don averaged 100.

The hypothetical player averages 85. Let's say, the second best player will average 50.

Not enough gap difference to lean towards anybody by this metric. We'd have to look for match by match or series by series performance. As Wolverine said that he averages 80 vs everybody (Don didn't manage that somehow), and assuming he plays against the strong opponents of his time for more than 69% of his career, I guess the hypothetical player has a good shout.

It'd still be close either way tho.

Statistically when the number of players increase, smaller gaps become more significant. The averages are in a exponential / Poisson distribution. When n (number of players increase) the gap that needs to be significant shrinks by 1/ sqrt(n).