Which team would win

[DrWolverine]

O’Reilly is not in same tier as Murali & Warne for me

 

[Johan]

I mean, O Reilly literally beat GOATed players of spin on some of the flattest wickets ever, his strength is quite literally exactly what Murali and Warne both objectively failed at.

 

[L Trumper]

Against WI it is better to pick O Reilly as sole spinner ahead of Warne anyway. Lara and Sobers are much better against slow spinners, with Tiger there is a chance he'd get better of them. I don't give Warne much of a chance against that middle order, he might go ok vs Viv (I doubt it though).

 

[BazBall21]

You know Gooch dominated Marshall. Now imagine what Sachin and Dravid will do to him. And Ambrose averages 38 vs India at home, Gavaskar will have him for breakfast in an Indian pitch (I can keep going.....)

I can't see Dravid doing well v an all time WI XI.

 

[BazBall21]

I mean, O Reilly literally beat GOATed players of spin on some of the flattest wickets ever, his strength is quite literally exactly what Murali and Warne both objectively failed at.

I read once that he has a much better record v the top batsmen than Murali and Warne.

 

[BazBall21]

Nah I don't think you really rate Hunte over Simpson as well. Surely given you rate Gooch ahead, don't think Greenidge is hugely better than Hayden.....

Hunte/Simpson are similar quality as batsmen. Simpson has a slightly bigger body of work but Hunte has a good record v England and Australia.

Greenidge definitely better than Hayden, though opening v McGrath&Lillee means there's a decent chance WI's advantage there will be neutralised.

 

[BazBall21]

Similar class though. Therefore, there's no reason to believe Gordon couldn't succeed vs him as well. Very well could've failed as well.

Yes a similar class. Though Hadlee didn't have Dennis Lillee backing him up. I assume that's what's happening in this hypothetical scenario. Relentless quality from both ends is more difficult, especially against the new ball/maximum fresh bowlers. Greenidge is better than Hayden but there's a pretty good chance that advantage will be neutralised by two of the best ever bowlers.

 

[sayon basak]

I read once that he has a much better record v the top batsmen than Murali and Warne.

As just one mark of O'Reilly's effectiveness, he dismissed England's supreme champion Hammond 10 times in 19 Tests. Suggestions that left-hander Leyland had his measure annoyed O'Reilly, who would defiantly point out that he got him nine times in 16 Tests. As for Sutcliffe, Bill got him six times in nine Tests, and his bellowed lbw appeals were about the only thing ever to ruffle the cool Yorkshireman.

 

[Daemon]

Aus 5-0

 

[capt_Luffy]

I can't see Dravid doing well v an all time WI XI.

First off, it was a leg pull. 2ndly, he is a legit ATG in WI and has some absolute classics like Sabina Park twin 50s. Probs won't average much but definitely see him having a match winning knock in a tough wicket.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hunte/Simpson are similar quality as batsmen. Simpson has a slightly bigger body of work but Hunte has a good record v England and Australia.

Greenidge definitely better than Hayden, though opening v McGrath&Lillee means there's a decent chance WI's advantage there will be neutralised.

Simpson is clearly better than Hunte to me. And so Trumper than Greenidge.

 

[BazBall21]

Simpson is clearly better than Hunte to me. And so Trumper than Greenidge.

He has a better body of work, but in a one off game/series, don't think Hunte doing better than Simpson would be much of a shock. Clearly not a major difference between the two batsmen qualitively.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He has a better body of work, but in a one off game/series, don't think Hunte doing better than Simpson would be much of a shock. Clearly not a major difference between the two batsmen qualitively.

Bobby averages 55 while opening

 

[BazBall21]

First off, it was a leg pull. 2ndly, he is a legit ATG in WI and has some absolute classics like Sabina Park twin 50s. Probs won't average much but definitely see him having a match winning knock in a tough wicket.

Yeah I know it was. Though I think that attack on responsive pitches would be too much for him.

WI 2006&2010 had pace but were much more wayward attack. Against pace&bounce heavy attacks that probe consistently, I don't think Dravid played enough horizontal shots.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah I know it was. Though I think that attack on responsive pitches would be too much for him.

WI 2006&2010 had pace but were much more wayward attack. Against pace&bounce heavy attacks that probe consistently, I don't think Dravid played enough horizontal shots.

He had a very productive tour in 97 against a great attack. Had some flat decks but he made a great 70 odd on a really spicy deck at Bridgetown (that 81 allout game). He's less likely to dominate than top tier atgs but he showed enough to not write him off imo.

 

[BazBall21]

Bobby averages 55 while opening

Pretty good age curve though when opening. And didn't face many top attacks, whereas now he's going to be facing a devastating attack. Hunte has less overall output/work but did well v England&Australia and has a good enough record, so I don't think him doing better in a scenario like this would be implausible.

 

[BazBall21]

He had a very productive tour in 97 against a great attack. Had some flat decks but he made a great 70 odd on a really spicy deck at Bridgetown (that 81 allout game). He's less likely to dominate than top tier atgs but he showed enough to not write him off imo.

Yeah he did well there and had a very good start to his test career in general, but 1980-1995 would have been harder.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah he did well there and had a very good start to his test career in general, but 1980-1995 would have been harder.

I think 97 attack was among the Best Ever honestly. Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop, kinda hard to topple.

 

[BazBall21]

Tbh, I think it's a massive ask for each of the openers so there's a good chance the advantage whichever team has in that department is getting neutralised.

Trumper probably has the biggest reputation of the openers on show, but the challenges in his era were markedly different. There's a good chance he would do better on the wickets he played on than the other guys because he was more experienced on them, but Greenidge was more experienced in facing the kind of bowling on the kind of wickets that will be on show in this series.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Tbh, I think it's a massive ask for each of the openers so there's a good chance the advantage whichever team has in that department is getting neutralised.

Trumper probably has the biggest reputation of the openers on show, but the challenges in his era were markedly different. There's a good chance he would do better on the wickets he played on than the other guys because he was more experienced on them, but Greenidge was more experienced in facing the kind of bowling on the kind of wickets that will be on show in this series.

Trumper is SO GREAT he will just adapt and scored a twin ton whenever he find a challenging pitch!!! WAG WAG