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Does world cricket need a strong England?

Does world cricket need a strong England?

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ImpatientLime

ImpatientLime

International Regular
This past three days saw the following...

Eng W lost by an innings
Eng Lions lost by an innings
Eng W U19 lost by 9 wickets in the WC SF
Eng M suffered the second worst T20I defeat by a full member nation

has world cricket out grown England? does it require a nation that continues to refuse to get a climate?
 
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sams daneal

Cricket Spectator
ImpatientLime said:
This past three days saw the following...

Eng W lost by an innings
Eng Lions lost by an innings
Eng W U19 lost by 9 wickets in the WC SF
Eng M suffered the second worst T20I defeat by a full member nation

has world cricket out grown England? does it require a nation that continues to refuse to get a climate?
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England was never a strong team Against spin, So the India series loss is not surprising.
 
andruid

andruid

Cricketer Of The Year
England does not have the systemic, administrative malaise that is dooming cricket in W. Indies, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, or various other elder nations...yet
 
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Kenneth Viljoen

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
ImpatientLime said:
This past three days saw the following...

Eng W lost by an innings
Eng Lions lost by an innings
Eng W U19 lost by 9 wickets in the WC SF
Eng M suffered the second worst T20I defeat by a full member nation

has world cricket out grown England? does it require a nation that continues to refuse to get a climate?
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A slight overreaction if this is a serious post,
the England white ball team has had a lot of success recently , and the redball team have been really entertaining to watch..

The only problem I have with England is their attitude towards cricket, when things don't go their way they tend to just dismiss it as meaningless games, think that's what separates them from the very best teams ..

The best teams will have an opinion on a tournament but still try to win it , and losing badly in a match even if it's a bilateral series would hurt them more .
England at times give this impression that they couldn't be bothered if they get thrashed ..which is not great for the game if they are supposed to be one of the big teams.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Line and Length said:
England needs a strong injection at the school level ... at all levels. Leaving it to the private schools isn't working. Without imports and immigrants the system is broke.
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There were mitigating factors for all of those listed, and it should be remembered that the Women's Teams are still probably the 2nd best in the world. But what you highlight here is the main issue. Whether the huge money the ECB is making from the Hundred sell off can be used appropriately remains to be seen, but it's not like they can suddenly make State Schools start playing cricket seriously again.

I played a cricket match for my school every week during the Summer Term in the 80's. I don't think that happens at all now.
 
TheJediBrah

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Kenneth Viljoen said:
The only problem I have with England is their attitude towards cricket, when things don't go their way they tend to just dismiss it as meaningless games, think that's what separates them from the very best teams ..

The best teams will have an opinion on a tournament but still try to win it , and losing badly in a match even if it's a bilateral series would hurt them more .
England at times give this impression that they couldn't be bothered if they get thrashed ..which is not great for the game if they are supposed to be one of the big teams.
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That's called "cope".

"We lost again and the other side was better? We don't care anyway. It's about having fun and being entertaining, not winning. If we tried our best we would have won" etc.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
TheJediBrah said:
That's called "cope".

"We lost again and the other side was better? We don't care anyway. It's about having fun and being entertaining, not winning. If we tried our best we would have won" etc.
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Is this not the whole Bazball ideology? Good to see it seeping through the system…
 
brandon

brandon

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
ImpatientLime said:
This past three days saw the following...

Eng W lost by an innings
Eng Lions lost by an innings
Eng W U19 lost by 9 wickets in the WC SF
Eng M suffered the second worst T20I defeat by a full member nation

has world cricket out grown England? does it require a nation that continues to refuse to get a climate?
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As an Englishman I answered no, I don’t think world cricket does need a strong England - generally I think we’re strong enough supporters of the game that would mean that cricket is still very well supported even if we’re losing regularly again like the bad old days of the 90’s.

However I take issue with you conflating the fortunes of England’s men with their Women - you might aswell be talking about two different sports there.

Regarding your ‘climate’ statement, I’m not sure I follow what exactly you’re getting at so apologies if I’ve missed the flavour of that - I’ll try to respond in the way I’ve interpreted it and say that I see the white ball squads as being in a big period of transition at present, but they have a big issue presently with ‘tempo’. I worry that they’ve fully bought into the ‘BazBall phenomenon and that they’ve gone to such extremes with it that they can’t deviate from the plan. The defeat to India in the fourth game particularly was an example of that, various points during the run chase they were in charge of the chase but played ridiculously unnecessary shots to surrender their wickets cheaply - I’m particularly looking at Duckett and Brook, whom both have been guilty of doing the same chucking away of their Test wickets.

Bringing me onto the subject of the Test team where the tempo thing is a bigger issue, but generally I’m very excited about the next 11 months for them. I’m not for one second suggesting we’ll beat India and/or Australia. I love a flutter and I wouldn’t be risking any of my money on backing England in either series, but I’ll enjoy the ride nonetheless.

I’d actually go as far as to suggest that the next 11 months will be the making or breaking of Stokes & McCullum. If it ends badly I suspect we’ll be having another reset come February 2026.
 
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brandon

brandon

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Line and Length said:
England needs a strong injection at the school level ... at all levels. Leaving it to the private schools isn't working. Without imports and immigrants the system is broke.
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I disagree, Durham have done a fine job of producing quality international cricketers without the backing of a strong school system, private or otherwise.

On top of that, I don’t think that culturally school sporting excellence is an important part of British elite level sport as it is elsewhere in the world. The club scene is more important over here.

Kenneth Viljoen said:
The only problem I have with England is their attitude towards cricket, when things don't go their way they tend to just dismiss it as meaningless games, think that's what separates them from the very best teams ..

The best teams will have an opinion on a tournament but still try to win it , and losing badly in a match even if it's a bilateral series would hurt them more .
England at times give this impression that they couldn't be bothered if they get thrashed ..which is not great for the game if they are supposed to be one of the big teams.
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I agree, as do a lot of Englishmen. I think in the early days of the current regime people were willing to be patient with it, but now that the honeymoon period is over it’s wearing very thin.

It’s exciting to see batsmen going at strike rates of over 120 and when they’re scoring 400+ in a day - but the best Test cricket teams in history won everywhere and were able to adapt.
 
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brandon

brandon

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Molehill said:
but it's not like they can suddenly make State Schools start playing cricket seriously again.

I played a cricket match for my school every week during the Summer Term in the 80's. I don't think that happens at all now.
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I’m not sure it ever did 🤷‍♂️

I made the point higher up the page about Club cricket being far more important, I think certainly in the North of the country that’s always been the case - state schools up here haven’t played cricket with any degree of seriousness for around 40 years that I’m aware of. Yet
 
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Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
No, the future of cricket doesn't need a strong England. Or a strong Australia or even India.

It needs billionaire Indian tycoons and American-Indian tech bros to keep bank-rolling the short form leagues.
 
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