Which team would win

[sayon basak]

source?

 

[centurymaker]

O'Reilly was from a time of no video analysis. It's a massive advantage for any spinner.

Look at Mendis and see what happened to him due to video analysis. In another era, he would have taken hundreds of wickets as batters wouldn't have had technology to analyse his variations and action in super slow mo. He'd been a great.

Murali and Warne managed to dominate in an era of video analysis. It's whole another level of difficulty compared to any player from 1930s

 

[govinda indian fan]

O'Reilly was from a time of no video analysis. It's a massive advantage for any spinner.

Look at Mendis and see what happened to him due to video analysis. In another era, he would have taken hundreds of wickets as batters wouldn't have had technology to analyse his variations and action in super slow mo. He'd been a great.

Murali and Warne managed to dominate in an era of video analysis. It's whole another level of difficulty compared to any player from 1930s

Still sobers would tear apart warne and Murali. He was most talented batsmen to play cricket. So would Richard in a lesser way

 

[sayon basak]

O'Reilly was from a time of no video analysis. It's a massive advantage for any spinner.

Look at Mendis and see what happened to him due to video analysis. In another era, he would have taken hundreds of wickets as batters wouldn't have had technology to analyse his variations and action in super slow mo. He'd been a great.

Murali and Warne managed to dominate in an era of video analysis. It's whole another level of difficulty compared to any player from 1930s

Tbf Mendis never had impressive stats in tests at any stage of his career, and if you're talking about LOI's, Rashid has dominated for even longer, don't think anybody rates him ahead of Warne/Murali.

And pretty sure Injury had to do something with his downfall.

 

[Coronis]

O'Reilly was from a time of no video analysis. It's a massive advantage for any spinner.

Look at Mendis and see what happened to him due to video analysis. In another era, he would have taken hundreds of wickets as batters wouldn't have had technology to analyse his variations and action in super slow mo. He'd been a great.

Murali and Warne managed to dominate in an era of video analysis. It's whole another level of difficulty compared to any player from 1930s

Like Jack Iverson

 

[centurymaker]

Harbhajan unplayable initially , then was worked out -all thanks to technology

 

[govinda indian fan]

People can blame Richards for not facing quality spin after 79 but not sobers who made mockery of gupte laker prasanna bedi and chandra

 

[sayon basak]

People can blame Richards for not facing quality spin after 79 but not sobers who made mockery of gupte laker prasanna bedi and chandra

Then announced Gupte to be better than Warne to make his own case even better.

 

[OverratedSanity]

People can blame Richards for not facing quality spin after 79 but not sobers who made mockery of gupte laker prasanna bedi and chandra

This is like using the fact that some bloke made hundreds against Anderson and Broad as evidence that he would have no issues facing Malcolm Marshall and Joel Garner.

 

[subshakerz]

This is like using the fact that some bloke made hundreds against Anderson and Broad as evidence that he would have no issues facing Malcolm Marshall and Joel Garner.

Sobers isn't some bloke and Murali and Warne aren't Marshall and Garner.

They still have much of the same limitations as all spinners and are facing against a good contender for best bat since Bradman.

I think it's reasonable to assume the bet should be on Sobers in this encounter and not them.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sobers isn't some bloke and Murali and Warne aren't Marshall and Garner.

They still have much of the same limitations as all spinners and are facing against a good contender for best bat since Bradman.

I think it's reasonable to assume the bet should be on Sobers in this encounter and not them.

Way to miss the point bud. The gap between Bedi/Prasanna and Warne/Murali is about as much as between Anderson and Malcom Marshall. Arguably even more tbh.

You know this yet choose to intentionally miss the point. No success against inferior spinners makes it a guarantee that you'd dominate Warne and Murali.

 

[subshakerz]

You know this yet choose to intentionally miss the point. No success against inferior spinners makes it a guarantee that you'd dominate Warne and Murali.

I didn't miss the point, you did. We are talking about Sobers, a top tier batter, not some ordinary good bat. You can't use the arguments against Kalicharran and Lloyd against Sobers also who is a league or two ahead. Anyone that high with no real noted problems against spin and plenty of success in his career would be fancied against Warne and Murali as opposed to the other way around.

The issue here is you think it's completely a mystery how that battle would go whereas we think there is sufficient evidence in their careers to suggest they would be countered. They were more negotiable than you are letting on.

And I said Murali and Warne still have spinner limitations, as in more pitch dependent and below worldclass effectiveness in the first half of games.

 

[subshakerz]

That Viv and Sobers have the advantage over Warne and Murali to me has little doubt. The only question is whether they will be generally productive against them or outright dominant which we don't know.

It's far more of a question how they would do against McGrath as top tier pacers tend to be more bulletproof. Against top tier spinners, more has to be lined up in their favor in terms of match conditions for them to have the edge over top tier bats.

 

[govinda indian fan]

I didn't miss the point, you did. We are talking about Sobers, a top tier batter, not some ordinary good bat. You can't use the arguments against Kalicharran and Lloyd against Sobers also who is a league or two ahead. Anyone that high with no real noted problems against spin and plenty of success in his career would be fancied against Warne and Murali as opposed to the other way around.

The issue here is you think it's completely a mystery how that battle would go whereas we think there is sufficient evidence in their careers to suggest they would be countered. They were more negotiable than you are letting on.

And I said Murali and Warne still have spinner limitations, as in more pitch dependent and below worldclass effectiveness in the first half of games.

Sobers is a freak. Look at his old videos. You will see how much goat player vs spin he was

 

[govinda indian fan]

That Viv and Sobers have the advantage over Warne and Murali to me has little doubt. The only question is whether they will be generally productive against them or outright dominant which we don't know.

It's far more of a question how they would do against McGrath as top tier pacers tend to be more bulletproof. Against top tier spinners, more has to be lined up in their favor in terms of match conditions for them to have the edge over top tier bats.

Sobers and viv vs mcgarth would be most interesting

 

[govinda indian fan]

Way to miss the point bud. The gap between Bedi/Prasanna and Warne/Murali is about as much as between Anderson and Malcom Marshall. Arguably even more tbh.

You know this yet choose to intentionally miss the point. No success against inferior spinners makes it a guarantee that you'd dominate Warne and Murali.

Dude batsmen in 60s and 70s used to pad away the ball and they weren't given out even if ball hits the stumps. While rule changed in 90 s and batters couldn't use vs warne or Murali

 

[Daemon]

Aus would win 5-0

 

[Victor Ian]

source?

Ai. It's possible it made that figure up, in keeping with the propensity of others making up how good Sobers and viv are going to be, but I think it's there abouts. Lillee got him out **** loads across test and wsc.

Someone sim this. Please!

 

[Victor Ian]

Daemon knows. And he probably has a spreadsheet to back it up.

 

[centurymaker]

Dude batsmen in 60s and 70s used to pad away the ball and they weren't given out even if ball hits the stumps. While rule changed in 90 s and batters couldn't use vs warne or Murali

Padding away rule changed in 1972.

It was very easy to not get LBW against spinners back then.

So how do we trust older players to survive against Murali and Warne when they can't pad away no more?

In fact if Murali and Warne had DRS, all hell would have broken loose. You can't even do bat & pad together anymore.