Which team would win

[centurymaker]

Murali and Warne were unplayable in the right conditions and really difficult to face otherwise on any given day. Surely people watched them bowl right?

They provided as big a challenge to opposition as any pacer. In fact, because they could bowl all the time, batters had no respite. They would come at you again and again and break any partnership eventually and then have a shot at running through the rest. A fast bowler cannot do that. They bowl their 6-7 overs and need a rest for 1-2 hours . So batters have the option of playing a pacer out. They cannot do that against a ATG spinner. And some days you just don't pick them right and you perish regardless of how good you are.

An ATG spinner at one end and ATG pacers rotating from the other end is the perfect bowling partnership as alternating between high level pace and high level spin is the hardest adjustment.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Tbh O'Reilly could have been better than Warne and Murali; the Three are definitely are in the same tier imo.

Warne and Murali played in the professional era with better fitness tho (joking)

Barnes is the other slow bowler that would be around the level of those three

 

[Johan]

Warne and Murali played in the professional era with better fitness tho

How many times do I need to whip you on this for you to get in line

 

[capt_Luffy]

How many times do I need to whip you on this for you to get in line

He isn't gonna change.

 

[centurymaker]

You seem weirdly agitated about me suggesting O Reilly is in the Warne class, O Reilly can't do anything if the second world war interrupted his career, even during the second world war, his output in the Australian first class was extremely high, and sheffield pitches of this era were so flat that 60+ average was common

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Players/0/584/f_Bowling_by_Season.html

his technique wasn't exposed, he wasn't found out, he just had bad luck, on the other end luck shined on Warne and Murali, because no world war 2 and O Reilly is the GOAT spinner while the other two fight fot #2 spot, due to world war II he falls to number 3 but definitely much more in class of Warne and Murali than in the class of the #4 best spinner, whoever that may be.

I don't rate cricketers from that era very highly anyway so ofcourse I won't have him in the same sentence as Murali and Warne.

 

[Johan]

I don't rate cricketers from that era very highly anyway so ofcourse I won't have him in the same sentence as Murali and Warne.

Oh Ok, then Nathon Lyon is better than Shane Warne

 

[sayon basak]

Warne and Murali played in the professional era with better fitness tho

Barnes is the other slow bowler that would be around the level of those three

Barnes is arguably better than Warne/Murali. I don't rate him higher, but he definitely has an argument to be closer to Marshall/McGrath/Hadlee than to Warne/Muralitharan.

And Barnes is definitely better than O'Reilly (sadly).

 

[centurymaker]

Oh Ok, then Nathon Lyon is better than Shane Warne

I have seen both bowl over their careers.

Have you 'seen' O'Reilly's career?

 

[sayon basak]

Btw why do we always run into these era crap?

 

[Johan]

I have seen both bowl over their careers.

Have you 'seen' O'Reilly's career?

I have seen Warne bowl his entire career bar the early couple years too, I deduce that Nathan Lyon is better as he is playing a more DEVELOPED! and PROFESSIONAL game

 

[sayon basak]

I have seen both bowl over their careers.

Have you 'seen' O'Reilly's career?

What about people who are 20/21 years old? Should they only rate the ones they have seen? Should they stick to rating T20 players only?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Btw why do we always run into these era crap?

I wasn’t serious in my post above

 

[Johan]

What about people who are 20/21 years old? Should they only rate the ones they have seen? Should they stick to rating T20 players only?

@capt_Luffy you should start saying Kuldeep is better than Warne

 

[sayon basak]

I wasn’t serious in my post above

I'm not talking about anybody in particular. Just talking in general.

 

[capt_Luffy]

@capt_Luffy you should start saying Kuldeep is better than Warne

Ofcourse he is. Kuldeep averages 4 runs lower, has the 2nd best SR in history and was never dominated by any batsman

 

[sayon basak]

@capt_Luffy you should start saying Kuldeep is better than Warne

Pretty sure Kuldeep has a (way) better googly than Warne; who didn't even have a proper googly.

Rashid Khan is the best leg spinner by this metric btw.

 

[Johan]

tbf half the forum is just Narayana but with 1970-1990s instead of 2010s-2020s

 

[Victor Ian]

That true. On balance he still has the edge over Warne given the epicness of 2001.


I never said they dominated him (except Malik in 1994) but they did do well and on balance had the wood over him, which is what I expect Sobers and Viv to do.

Fine, be stubborn as **** on this point. Dennis Lillee will get Richards out for 38, which was Richard's average against Lillee in WSC. I'll leave it to McGrath to make Sobers his bunny if not Lillee. Lara is McGraths bunny so that will leave Warne to wreak havoc on the remaining 8 players.

On the batting side, are we expecting Waugh before he shelved his hook, or after. If its after, Windiest are ****ed before gilly gets to them. In fact, because of his battles with the Windies from meh, to shining light, I think Waugh will ruin their bowling. He discovered that you just have to be tough and wear a few and then they lose their **** and then they lose. He will share this with the team.

 

[subshakerz]

Fine, be stubborn as **** on this point. Dennis Lillee will get Richards out for 38, which was Richard's average against Lillee in WSC. I'll leave it to McGrath to make Sobers his bunny if not Lillee. Lara is McGraths bunny so that will leave Warne to wreak havoc on the remaining 8 players.

On the batting side, are we expecting Waugh before he shelved his hook, or after. If its after, Windiest are ****ed before gilly gets to them. In fact, because of his battles with the Windies from meh, to shining light, I think Waugh will ruin their bowling. He discovered that you just have to be tough and wear a few and then they lose their **** and then they lose. He will share this with the team.

If you are talking overall teams, it will be a close contest.

 

[Johan]

Fine, be stubborn as **** on this point. Dennis Lillee will get Richards out for 38, which was Richard's average against Lillee in WSC. I'll leave it to McGrath to make Sobers his bunny if not Lillee. Lara is McGraths bunny so that will leave Warne to wreak havoc on the remaining 8 players.

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