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Rahul Dravid vs AB de Villiers, who was better against high quality bowling?

Who was the better batsman against high quality bowling


  • Total voters
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blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
148 and 81 in Johannesburg against peak Donald and Pollock

180 in Eden Gardens against peak McWarne

148 in Headingley against Flintoff, Hoggard and Caddick

233 and 72 in Adelaide against Gillespie and Machill

270 in Pindi against peak Akhtar

The entire 2011 series

Lot of “flukes”

Show me AB’s comparable innings
All the innings you mentioned came on highway pitches (Both the teams scored 500 around) except the 2011 tour. Lol
AB's 95 vs Murali, 91 & 116 vs peak Johnson, 126* vs Cummins & Hazlewood, 63 & 106* vs Lee & Johnson, 85 vs Jadeja & Ashwin.
AB at least has 2 50+ against McWarne in Australian pitches. Dravid didn't even score a 50 against them in Australia.
 

OverratedSanity

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Headingley and Adelaide come on, those were poor attacks and on roads. Pindi Akthar broke down. 2011 yup that counts.
All the innings you mentioned came on highway pitches (Both the teams scored 500 around) except the 2011 tour.
How to spot poor cricket knowledge 101. If you'd watched the Headingley game, you'd know that was a complete greentop on day 1 with the ball swinging around corners. But nope, you just looked at the scorecard and went "road" because India made a massive score. They made a huge score because Dravid weathered out a ridiculously tough day 1. Can't take most posts in this forum seriously because you blokes clearly just don't watch cricket much, no disrespect.

That attack was not great on paper atleast tbh, so AbdV is a very valid vote here btw. But this was just so blatantly wrong. Emblematic of lazy scoreboard watching.
 
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blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
How to spot poor cricket knowledge 101. If you'd watched the Headingley game, you'd know that was a complete greentop on day 1 with the ball swinging around corners. But nope, you just looked at the scorecard and went "road" because India made a massive score. They made a huge score because Dravid weathered out a ridiculously tough day 1. Can't take most posts in this forum seriously because you blokes clearly just don't watch cricket much, no disrespect.

That attack was not great on paper atleast tbh, so AbdV is a very valid vote here btw. But this was just so blatantly wrong. Emblematic of lazy scoreboard watching.
Dood. There pitch was not green lol. 😂. It was just new ball swing. Once the shine went, it was a great wicket to bat on in the first day. Except his 148 vs Donald on an highway pitch & 180 vs McWarne duo on another highway, he was poorer vs great bowlers like Murali, McGrath, Warne etc. Only 2011 series I agree, it came on lively wickets against Anderson and Broad duo.

Dravid was better than AB only against swing bowlers. AB too was good but not better than Dravid. But Dravid was poorer vs seamers and spinners.
 

OverratedSanity

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Dood. There pitch was not green lol. 😂.
It was a greentop and extremely overcast on day 1 and Ganguly was called an idiot for choosing to bat first. If you don't want to agree with posters who watched the game and remember it, you can look up literally any match report and it'll back this up.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Dood. There pitch was not green lol. 😂. It was just new ball swing. Once the shine went, it was a great wicket to bat on in the first day.
If you saw a score like that today you’d probably be right, but you’re not. iirc batsmen had some pretty great defense back then.

 

blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
It was a greentop and extremely overcast on day 1 and Ganguly was called an idiot for choosing to bat first. If you don't want to agree with posters who watched the game and remember it, you can look up literally any match report and it'll back this up.
Okay chill. I remember the match,
If you saw a score like that today you’d probably be right, but you’re not. iirc batsmen had some pretty great defense back then.

See I remember that match. Sanjay and Dravid were ultra defensive in the first session against the swinging new ball under overcast conditions. Once it became blunt and sun was out, the runs were coming fine. That was the traditional batting in English conditions. Dravid excelled in that. You can't say this as hight quality bowling when 600+ scored against them. There is a difference between 'negotiating new ball' and 'playing high quality bowling'. I do agree with your point about the past players had better defense.
 

blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I feel like De Villiers is overrated in tests based on what he actually achieved. Even people who generally rank results over aesthetics place him much higher than his output warrants imo. I think Amla was at least as good when his career overlapped with ABdV's. I don't see how De Villiers gets in that top or even second tier at all. He's about Inzi or Chanderpaul level imo.
Commenting with zero knowledge on AB 🤡
 

sams daneal

Cricket Spectator
I feel like De Villiers is overrated in tests based on what he actually achieved. Even people who generally rank results over aesthetics place him much higher than his output warrants imo. I think Amla was at least as good when his career overlapped with ABdV's. I don't see how De Villiers gets in that top or even second tier at all. He's about Inzi or Chanderpaul level imo.
Yes amla is better test batsmen.
 

blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I am addressing the questions - Dravid had far more iconic and match winning performances against top bowling against AB De Villiers

We’ve already established his overall career is much better and that he played high quality bowling as much as De Villiers

there have not been any counterfactuals, just conjecture
iconic because played for India. Lol. AB was the leading run scorer for SA when SA won first time in England in 2008. He chased 400+ in 2008 when SA won their first series in Australia. In 2018, he ripped apart the Australian attack when SA won their first home series vs Australia. First double ton in India by an SA batsman. In 2012, SA won the series in NZ, he was the savior in crunch situation in the only resulted match. His match saving knock of 33 in Adelaide 2012.
 

blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Abd always came after 50+ over Against tired bolwers with zero swing and seam movement.
Check 2018 home series vs India and Australia. He scored a counter attack knock of 65 & 80 against seam/swing and uneven bounce respectively after early wickets fall. Against Aussies he scored a mighty knock of 126* when the ball reverse swinging. Amla fumbled against them.
 

sams daneal

Cricket Spectator
Check 2018 home series vs India and Australia. He scored a counter attack knock of 65 & 80 against seam, swing after early wickets fall. Against Aussies he scored a mighty knock of 126* when the ball reverse swinging. Amla fumbled against them.
India series was more Bowling friendly ,
Abd Averaged 35 , amla 34 , and amla batted at 3 , so amla more impressive.
 

blackdevil95

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
India series was more Bowling friendly ,
Abd Averaged 35 , amla 34 , and amla batted at 3 , so amla more impressive.
Amla scored more in the dead rubber. AB scored in the live matches. AB had finger injury in the 3rd match. What Amla did against Australia?? What was Amla doing against Jadeja and Ashwin in Indian spinning tracks?? What he was doing when Johnson was ripping apart South Africa in 2009 and 2014 ?? And against Murali in Srilankan dusty wickets?? Amla was like Dravid, negotiating against swing and then scores well. Can't get on top of the bowlers
 

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