Which team would win

[Johan]

Anderson is underrated.
Murali is underrated.

Yes, but Murali is fairly highly rated bar a crowd that still believes him to be a chucker

 

[Coronis]

Yes, but Murali is fairly highly rated bar a crowd that still believes him to be a chucker

Yes, but Viv is fairly highly rated bar a (very) small crowd of people.

 

[Johan]

Yes, but Viv is fairly highly rated bar a (very) small crowd of people.

not really anymore, a year later Viv would be losing polls to Younis Khan

 

[Coronis]

not really anymore, a year later Viv would be losing polls to Younis Khan

Where do you get this crap?

 

[Johan]

Where do you get this crap?

Nobody rates Viv anymore etc, might not take top 10 bats list next time we do the whole batters ranking thing

 

[centurymaker]

Nobody rates Viv anymore etc, might not take top 10 bats list next time we do the whole batters ranking thing

Disagree. He is easily top 6 everytime

 

[kyear2]

Typo. Meant better. They are both Great, but Greenidge and Hayden are around equal and Trumper is much ahead of this bunch personally.

Greenidge and Hayden aren't equal and Trumper being well ahead is very questionable.

I'm not rating a pre WWI that far below Hobbs ahead of anyone from the era.

 

[Coronis]

Nobody rates Viv anymore etc, might not take top 10 bats list next time we do the whole batters ranking thing

Stop talking out your ass.

The vast majority of people here see him either in the BBB category, alongside the big 3, or right behind them. I think that’s perfectly fair.

 

[Johan]

I'd personally open with Worrell instead of Hunte

 

[Coronis]

Greenidge and Hayden are equal and Trumper being well ahead is very questionable.

I'm not rating a pre WWI that far below Hobbs ahead of anyone from the era.

Thoughts on Simpson vs any other Windies opener? Just curious

 

[Johan]

Stop talking out your ass.

The vast majority of people here see him either in the BBB category, alongside the big 3, or right behind them. I think that’s perfectly fair.

don't think this is true

 

[kyear2]

2-1 West Indies.

That pace attack alone will ensure victory. Two of them are giants and impossible to play or score against, while Marshall is arguably the best ever. Even the very best will struggle badly against this attack.

The addition of Ambrose makes a big difference. It's a far stronger quartet!

Batsmen stats are more impacted by (fast) bowlers that the other way round.

Bowlers effectiveness is impacted by conditions.

These conditions strongly favor this pace attack.

 

[kyear2]

Lindwall is arguably better than Holding.

Holding is arguably better than Lillee.

 

[Johan]

Lillee over Holding for me, not by a margin or anything but think Lillee is just a slower but more skillful Holding

 

[capt_Luffy]

I get the whole Lillee thing that I don’t agree with and I know your love for Trumper.

Your dislike of Ponting is well known, but even say if you rate Waugh above him (I’m assuming you don’t have him SUPER far ahead as that would be a whole other discussion, I find it hard to reconcile with Waugh over Ponting here.

Waugh, love him or hate him, is basically just a worse Border imo, feels redundant to have both. Think Ponting fits the middle order much better.

Then in the middle order you’ve got a dominant home player (and specialist number three, like really you’re batting Smith out of position?!), two players who are excellent home and away and the great away batsman who can hold down an end while Gilly churns out a quick ton. Just my thoughts tho.

Hmmm.... I actually considered Ponting hard. Can honestly take him over Waugh, no hard complaints really. Matter of fact, probably will do that. My reasoning was Smith batted ample at 3 and Chappell at 4; and the 5/6 of Border and Waugh looked really strong and in position.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Greenidge and Hayden are equal and Trumper being well ahead is very questionable.

I'm not rating a pre WWI that far below Hobbs ahead of anyone from the era.

D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E

Trumper ATG. They aren't.

 

[kyear2]

Now add Warne and Gibbs. I will for ya

Marshall>McGrath>Warne>Ambrose>O'Reilly>Lillee>Garner>Holding>Lindwall>Cummins>Davidson>Walsh>Roberts>Grimmett>Miller>Hazlewood>Gibbs

Now look at Warne's averages in and against the West indies and add Sobers, Headley, and Viv to that. And note the fact that Gibbs aren't playing on these surfaces.

And speaking of these surfaces, Ambrose is way more of a handful than even McGrath..

 

[capt_Luffy]

Now look at Warne's averages in and against the West indies and add Sobers, Headley, and Viv to that. And note the fact that Gibbs aren't playing on these surfaces.

And speaking of these surfaces, Ambrose is way more of a handful than even McGrath..

I don't think I have seen enough of a case to suggest any WI bar Lara would be comfortable to Warne. Benching Gibbs is a new one. And McGrath is a beast anywhere. Pacers belongs to WI, but bowlers to Australia.

 

[Johan]

I would give bowlers overall to Windies

Marshall > McGrath > Ambrose > Warne > Lillee > Garner > Holding > Lindwall

 

[kyear2]

Oh Ha Ha

I'd bet good money on Warne being taken to the cleaner by Viv/Lara/Sobers anyway

Without doubt.