sayon basak
International Captain
The better overall cricketer?
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George Hirst vs Maurice Tate
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DrWolverine
International Debutant
Fred Tate played just one test match
He became the most hated man in the country
He dropped an easy catch and Aus won
He never played another test match ever again
Told "I've got a little boy who'll make this up for me."
His son Maurice would go on to be Ashes hero
He would help England win first Ashes in 15 years
He was highest wicket taker in that tournament
He became the most hated man in the country
He dropped an easy catch and Aus won
He never played another test match ever again
Told "I've got a little boy who'll make this up for me."
His son Maurice would go on to be Ashes hero
He would help England win first Ashes in 15 years
He was highest wicket taker in that tournament
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Hirst
Tate
Tate
DrWolverine
International Debutant
George Hirst had the better first class career
Maurice Tate had the better test cricket career
Maurice Tate had the better test cricket career
sayon basak
International Captain
FC cricket was very important at that time tbf. And being one of the first bowlers to swing the ball should be counted for Hirst.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Hirst had everything but a good Test record.
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut
State Vice-Captain
Maurice Tate definitely.
sayon basak
International Captain
Nice runup, great back foot landing, braced front leg, nice gather; overall a beautiful side on action imo.
sayon basak
International Captain
Do you have the stats of Billy Beldham in all of cricket? And could you provide the numbers of Sylvester Clarke in FC matches involving good batsmen?
Thanks.
Not all records of Beldham's career have survived. In all cricket he is believed to have scored 9000+ runs at an average of around 21. Three centuries. HS 144. He also took more than 300 wickets. Average unknown.
Sylvester Clarke usually faced one or more decent batsmen in the opposition. FC record in each country:
England: 591 wickets @ 18.99
South Africa: 193 @ 17.54
West Indies: 79 @ 26.13
India 33 @ 26.54
Pakistan: 28 @ 16.67
Sri Lanka 9 @ 12.77
Australia 9 @ 29.00
Total: 942 wickets @ 19.52. Wpm 3.9
Leading first-class aggregates of cricketers making debut before 1800:
Billy Beldham: 7043 runs @ 21.47. 3 centuries
Thomas Walker: 6065 @ 19.25. 6 centuries
Lord Frederick Beauclerk: 5442 @ 24.96. 5 centuries
'Long Bob' Robinson: 4311 @ 21.99. 1 century
John Hammond: 3968 @ 18.98. 1 century
James Aylward: 3869 @ 19.24. 1 century (his 167 in 1777 was the highest score of the 18th century)
John Small junior: 3439 @ 13.43
John Small senior: 3346 @ 16.73. 1 century
John Wells: 3055 @ 11.93
John Wells: 359 wickets
Lord Frederick Beauclerk: 349
David Harris: 328
Thomas Boxall: 317
'Lumpy' Stevens: 305
Thomas Walker: 284
Robert Clifford: 222
Richard Purchase: 220
Billy Beldham: 217
Billy Beldham: 333 catches + 49 stumpings
John Hammond: 163 catches + 121 stumpings
Leading first-class aggregates of cricketers making debut between 1800 and 1850:
Fuller Pilch: 7147 runs @ 18.61. 3 centuries
George Parr: 6626 @ 20.20. 1 century
Jem Grundy: 5898 @ 12.65.
William Caffyn: 5885 @ 17.99. 2 centuries
John Lillywhite: 5127 @ 17.43. 2 centuries
Jemmy Dean: 5115 @ 10.54
Edgar Willsher: 5089 @ 12.41
William Lillywhite: 1576 wickets @ 10.36. Wpm 6.6
William Hillyer: 1482 @ 11.02. Wpm 6.4
Edgar Willsher: 1329 @ 12.78. Wpm 4.9
Jemmy Dean: 1144 @ 13.80. Wpm 3.8
Jem Grundy: 1137 @ 12.81. Wpm 3.8
John Wisden: 1109 @ 10.32. Wpm 5.9
Alfred Mynn: 1038 @ 10.22. Wpm 4.9
Bowling averages taken from scorecards where runs conceded were recorded.
Tom Lockyer: 301 catches + 123 stumpings
Thomas Box: 236 + 162
Jem Grundy: 233 + 2
Edgar Willsher: 233
Jemmy Dean: 206
Ned Wenman: 118 + 87
William Hillyer: 204
Fuller Pilch: 7147 runs @ 18.61. 3 centuries
George Parr: 6626 @ 20.20. 1 century
Jem Grundy: 5898 @ 12.65.
William Caffyn: 5885 @ 17.99. 2 centuries
John Lillywhite: 5127 @ 17.43. 2 centuries
Jemmy Dean: 5115 @ 10.54
Edgar Willsher: 5089 @ 12.41
William Lillywhite: 1576 wickets @ 10.36. Wpm 6.6
William Hillyer: 1482 @ 11.02. Wpm 6.4
Edgar Willsher: 1329 @ 12.78. Wpm 4.9
Jemmy Dean: 1144 @ 13.80. Wpm 3.8
Jem Grundy: 1137 @ 12.81. Wpm 3.8
John Wisden: 1109 @ 10.32. Wpm 5.9
Alfred Mynn: 1038 @ 10.22. Wpm 4.9
Bowling averages taken from scorecards where runs conceded were recorded.
Tom Lockyer: 301 catches + 123 stumpings
Thomas Box: 236 + 162
Jem Grundy: 233 + 2
Edgar Willsher: 233
Jemmy Dean: 206
Ned Wenman: 118 + 87
William Hillyer: 204
sayon basak
International Captain
Mynn was the 8th highest run getter with 4955 runs @13.42, right?
Yes, with one century. Then Box with 4936 @ 11.95.
Scoring levels fell during the roundarm era.