Viv Richards vs Gary sobers

[PlayerComparisons]

Exactly. If Root isn't an ATG, so isn't Dravid.

Don’t disagree with this although I rate Dravid a bit higher. I know subs and kyear rate both as ATVG. Both had problems with high quality pace.

 

[Thala_0710]

Is Younis Khan or Rahul Dravid an ATG?

Rahul yes for me, Younis no

 

[Johan]

Don't personally think that it's certain that Brook will surpass Root. So if Root isn't an ATG, don't think Brook will be one either.

He probably won't, he has an extra gear and plays pace well but his home record isn't impressive yet and his play against spin is too suspect, Root is a wonderful player of spin and ridiculously competent against movement, plus he is 26, Root at 26 already had 5000 runs @ 53 I think with three Ashes tons, series defining knock in South Africa and all so he is already behind on draw.

 

[Johan]

Yeah he definitely belongs in that 4. Exactly where amongst them is the question

I did a calculation recently and got the 40+ averaging bowling attacks of 2000s and subtracted their records against those sides from their overall records, because such attacks don't exist anymore (bar Ireland and maybe Afghanistan, not too caught off), all of them bar Sangakkara fell below 50 as they really plundered the awful post-Walsh Windies, so I got Root leading that pack these days, had Kallis lead it some while back.

 

[Thala_0710]

I did a calculation recently and got the 40+ averaging bowling attacks of 2000s and subtracted their records against those sides from their overall records, because such attacks don't exist anymore (bar Ireland and maybe Afghanistan, not too caught off), all of them bar Sangakkara fell below 50 as they really plundered the awful post-Walsh Windies, so I got Root leading that pack these days, had Kallis lead it some while back.

I probably would go Punter leading the pack with Root just behind for now. And then, Kallis, Dravid and Sanga.

 

[Johan]

I probably would go Punter leading the pack with Root just behind for now. And then, Kallis, Dravid and Sanga.

respectable, a big series down under would do wonders for him imo

 

[DrWolverine]

What does Root have to do to be an ATG?

Isn’t Root an all time great already?

 

[Thala_0710]

respectable, a big series down under would do wonders for him imo

Yeah, then he definitely climbs to the top

 

[sayon basak]

Isn’t Root an all time great already?

IMO yeah.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Looking at the polls, I think most people rate Ponting, Sangakkara, and Kallis higher than the other two which is probably right atm

 

[Thala_0710]

Amongst the modern guys, these would probably be the ATGs for me:

ATGs-
Batsmen:
Sachin, Lara, Smith, Richards, Gavaskar, Ponting, Chappell, Border, Kallis, Waugh, Dravid, Root
Pacers:
Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Steyn, Imran, Ambrose, Akram, Lillee, Donald, Garner, Holding, Waqar, Walsh
Spinners:
Warne, Murali
All Rounders:
Botham, Pollock, Kapil
WK:
Gilchrist, Sangakkara

 

[Johan]

Root has an issue with Cummins and the extreme bounce in Australia because he has a technical deficiency against bounce where his backfoot game becomes useless and his front foot game becomes a little tricky, but he averages 40 in the games that involve Cummins with a ton and thirteen half tons, which is better and more consistent than the output a lot of ATGs like Sachin and Lara managed against their worst bowlers. He plays the other pacers wonderfully.

 

[Thala_0710]

Root has an issue with Cummins and the extreme bounce in Australia because he has a technical deficiency against bounce where his backfoot game becomes useless and his front foot game becomes a little tricky, but he averages 40 in the games that involve Cummins with a ton and thirteen half tons, which is better and more consistent than the output a lot of ATGs like Sachin and Lara managed against their worst bowlers. He plays the other pacers wonderfully.

He does avg 26 against Cummins directly though

 

[Johan]

He does avg 26 against Cummins directly though

don't really think that means much when Cummins bowls in an ATG attack and it's not like he's plundering farmers on the other end for runs, it's a good bowler all the time at the worst

 

[PlayerComparisons]

No shame in being Cummins’s bitch. Bloke is an ATG bowler or close to it at least. It would be very funny if Cummins gets him out close to 20 times though.

 

[Johan]

Sachin against Donald

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Root against Cummins

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Cummins dismissed Root 30% of the times and Donald with Sachin 25%, fairly even stevens I reckon

 

[Johan]

@sayon basak also, what's the pfp

 

[sayon basak]

@sayon basak also, what's the pfp

Apsolon.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

IMO yeah.

I wonder how he’ll be viewed after his career if his average drops to 49/48. I feel like his rating will drop over time and future generations may not rate him as high. Hopefully he can keep it above 50.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Amongst the modern guys, these would probably be the ATGs for me:

ATGs-
Batsmen:
Sachin, Lara, Smith, Richards, Gavaskar, Ponting, Chappell, Border, Kallis, Waugh, Dravid, Root
Pacers:
Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Steyn, Imran, Ambrose, Akram, Lillee, Donald, Garner, Holding, Waqar, Walsh
Spinners:
Warne, Murali
All Rounders:
Botham, Pollock, Kapil
WK:
Gilchrist, Sangakkara

Not sure about Sanga as an ATG wk tbh. He makes it as a batsman alone anyways.