subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah and let's not be disingenuous to know why there is an average difference.
I am sure Ashwin would average higher if he wasn't dropped so often in SENA. Too bad Lyon didn't have that luxury.
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Aswin vs Lyon
- Thread starter Narayana
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I am sure Ashwin would average higher if he wasn't dropped so often in SENA. Too bad Lyon didn't have that luxury.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Career milestone for him. But yeah he has one over Ashwin.
Both average 30 away.
At home, Ashwin avg around 20 and Lyon avg around 30.
No, it's not due to conditions. Lyon also avg around 30 in Asia.
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Johan
International Vice-Captain
Just keep the Lyon comparisions with Kanerias and Harbhajan lil bro.
Lyon is too **** to outbowl Mitchell Santner on a dusty pitch anyway so maybe Australia is better for him.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Again with you raw averages.
Ashwin's effectiveness as a quality spinner overall is limited to SC and WI.
sayon basak
International Captain
Stats in the matches where Ashwin and Lyon played together in Australia:-
Ashwin:- 40 wickets @42.42; WPI=2.11
Lyon:- 32 wickets @42.59; WPI=1.6
Ashwin:- 40 wickets @42.42; WPI=2.11
Lyon:- 32 wickets @42.59; WPI=1.6
Johan
International Vice-Captain
apparently being an elite ATG in 60-70% of your games is worse than being okay at home, decent at two venues and trash at 5 venues
Narayana
U19 Debutant
Aswin also outbowled by aus blower kuhneman on the spinning friendly pitch.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Its a low bar for Lyon to cross in terms of competing with Ashwin as an allround bowler.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Kuhneman played one series with Ashwin and averaged 31 lmao
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Lol you are either ATG or you are not.
You arent suddenly ATG when you land in the airport in India.
sayon basak
International Captain
Would you call Lyon an ATG?
Johan
International Vice-Captain
How is bro gonna compete with Ashwin when he can't even get past Harbhajan
maybe think before responding for once, a Cricketer can have ATG output in certain nations without being a full on ATG everywhere, Kane Williamson in NZ for example.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
No amount of cheap home wickets will compensate for Ashwin being ineffective when conditions are tougher.
Ashwin vs Lyon is like Sehwag vs G Smith. Clearly the latter are just better overall quality despite the former home dominance.
Ashwin vs Lyon is like Sehwag vs G Smith. Clearly the latter are just better overall quality despite the former home dominance.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Of course not. He is ATVG like Ashwin and they are close but Lyon being just better allround gives him an edge..
Johan
International Vice-Captain
lol, more like Kane Williamson vs Stephen Fleming
Narayana
U19 Debutant
Okeeffe also outbowled aswin in a series in india. https://www.espncricinfo.com/record...s-career/border-gavaskar-trophy-2016-17-11592
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Nope because Williamson is just generally weak away not specific to certain regions.
sayon basak
International Captain
What?
Johan
International Vice-Captain
iirc, Ashwin was carrying an injury this series and that doesn't even prove much, because O Keefe genuinely bowled brilliantly