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Jasprit bumrah vs Wasim Akram
- Thread starter Narayana
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Spark
Global Moderator
Please make threads like this in the dedicated Player Comparisons subforum.
Bumrah also has a much better home + away record versus top teams of his era compared to Wasim. Number of wickets are already in the same range for both in matches involving top 5 teams of their era. Wasim does not enjoy longevity advantage over Bumrah against top teams.
Now longevity of Wasim is huge when you see lower half of test playing nations.
Against bottom/minnows, Bumrah has only 6 tests with avg in 10-11
Against Bottom/minnows, Wasim has 58 tests with avg in 22-23
Only place Wasim has advantage - longevity against bottom/minnow teams. Bumrah is not likely to overtake it.
He also has one less bottom team to play. He is likely to play most of his games against top teams. With 15-20 tests against bottom/minnows, Bumrah may end up with a far better output than Wasim. But he will never get near Wasim's longevity with lower half of test teams. May be 15 more tests against lower half with a similar output will be enough to make longevity against bottom teams irrelevant, but 15 more tests is a lot specially with avg of 10-11.
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
who are these bottom/minnow teams which Wasim has played 58 tests?
Narayana
U19 12th Man
Can I trust your stats?
I want to share these stats.
Top 5 test teams during Wasim's career:
Wasim's absolute and relative performance in matches involving top 5 teams during his career:
46 tests - 187 wickets , Avg 24.7 , SR 55 [ Wasim was outperfomrmed by many, not all of them rank above him but it shows what was possible by best performers]
Top 5 test teams during Bumrah's career:
Bumrah's record in matches involving top 5 test teams during his career:
39 tests , 171 wickets, Avg 21.2, SR 45
No peer has outperformed Bumrah.
This is home and away combined.
Wasim's absolute and relative performance in matches involving top 5 teams during his career:
46 tests - 187 wickets , Avg 24.7 , SR 55 [ Wasim was outperfomrmed by many, not all of them rank above him but it shows what was possible by best performers]
Top 5 test teams during Bumrah's career:
Bumrah's record in matches involving top 5 test teams during his career:
39 tests , 171 wickets, Avg 21.2, SR 45
No peer has outperformed Bumrah.
This is home and away combined.
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Above was home and away combined. Away is more lopsided.
Wasim's away record in matches involving top 5 test teams during his career:
105 wickets - Avg 26.9 & SR 61 [ Not impressive standalone or relatively ]
Bumrah's away record in matches involving top 5 test teams during his career:
145 wickets - Avg 20.3 & SR 44 [ Really impressive standalone and also relatively]
Wasim's away record in matches involving top 5 test teams during his career:
105 wickets - Avg 26.9 & SR 61 [ Not impressive standalone or relatively ]
Bumrah's away record in matches involving top 5 test teams during his career:
145 wickets - Avg 20.3 & SR 44 [ Really impressive standalone and also relatively]
Narayana
U19 12th Man
What's your logical opinion on this comparison?
Has bumrah suppressed him?
I think Wasim's had a top tier skills, but his away record against top teams was far below top tier level. Avg of 27 & SR of 60 does not paint a good picture. Having said that, I loved watching Wasim more than other bowlers in 90s. But bowler's job is to pick wickets quickly and cheaply. That's what makes you a beter bowler.
Many fans say that Wasim has more skills than McGrath/Ambrose because he could do this or that. I don't think it matters. If you could do only seam or only swing or only reverse and pick wickets quicker and cheaper by a large margin against top teams then you are a better bowler despite some one else able to do seam, swing , reverse and all 9 yards.
As far as Bumrah and Wasim goes, if I am playing against better teams , choice is simple - Bumrah.
As far as Bumrah and Wasim goes, if I am playing against bottom/minnows teams , choice is not so simple due to Wasim having logevity advanatge here and yet Bumrah avg is 10.
Bumrah does not have a large sample size against bottom/minnows but his avg is 10 in 6 tests. I see very little evidence to think that I should pick Wasim over Bumrah over all if I have to pick one.
Many fans say that Wasim has more skills than McGrath/Ambrose because he could do this or that. I don't think it matters. If you could do only seam or only swing or only reverse and pick wickets quicker and cheaper by a large margin against top teams then you are a better bowler despite some one else able to do seam, swing , reverse and all 9 yards.
As far as Bumrah and Wasim goes, if I am playing against better teams , choice is simple - Bumrah.
As far as Bumrah and Wasim goes, if I am playing against bottom/minnows teams , choice is not so simple due to Wasim having logevity advanatge here and yet Bumrah avg is 10.
Bumrah does not have a large sample size against bottom/minnows but his avg is 10 in 6 tests. I see very little evidence to think that I should pick Wasim over Bumrah over all if I have to pick one.
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Narayana
U19 12th Man
If i am correct, Waqar's average is 30+ against top 4 in away?
All teams not in top 5 during his career. Since we had mostly 7-8 non-minnow teams in history, top 5 is a wide net.
Waqar was comfortably below Wasim despite getting clubbed together by many. I have highlighted and you can see. Yes, Waqar is 30 plus avg against top 4 oppositions.
Wasim away avg 26.9 - SR 61 - 6 5-fers against top teams
Waqar away avg 31.3 - SR 56 - 2 5-fers against top teams
govinda indian fan
State Vice-Captain
Lol@siraj being ahead of waqar and Anderson
Narayana
U19 12th Man
Didn't expected Jimmy Anderson to be this lower,
Narayana
U19 12th Man
Siraj strike rates in sena is better than bumrah as well.
Anderson was a tier 1 bowler in home conditions after 2010. Decent away over all after 2010 but not enough skills to do well against top sides outside Eng. A wonderful bowler to watch in Eng after 2010 no matter who he has playing against.
Only true tier 1 pacers do well in dens of top teams. I never rated Anderson as tier 1 pacer any time in his career.
That's why , in Ambrose vs IK thread , I found argument about Ambrose lacking sample size in some country not convincing enough to start rating him lower.
Ambrose had a great away record against top teams and had an ATG away record against the best oppostion of his era.
Similarly, Bumrah has a great away record against top teams and has an ATG away record against the best oppostion of his era.
Ambrose did not play in India and Bumrah is not likely to play in Pakistan. But we can see what they have done where they played.
Nah, there is a gap between SR for both. Bumrah has SR of 44 and Siraj has SR of 51
Avg gap is wider with Bumrah having avg of 20 while Siraj having avg of 30.
I don't think many rate him ahead of McGrath. I don't.
Some rate him ahead of Steyn and some rate him below Steyn. Both are fine in my opinion and you can make a case.
It's fine to bring up him playing only 6 tests in Asia when comparing him with some bowlers but when he is far ahead of IK in away records, I think talking about it is not adding much to the debate.
Also, Asia was different during IK and Ambrose time. Asia had only 2 non-minnows teams during full career of both players. Ambrose did play 5 tests in Pak. Many have played only 2-3 tess in one venue. His only miss was India. It's fair to say that he was unproven in India due to not playing. If some one has similar great away career record with India included then sure, point it out when comparing.