Imran Khan vs Curtley Ambrose

[govinda indian fan]

Rizwan is better keeper without any doubt but have my doubts whetever he can counter attack when team reqiures while pant is master at that

 

[kyear2]

The team which had significantly higher success rate when they played with *checks notes* Roger Harper and 3 quicks. Also never went with 5 bowlers

If Australia with Gilchrist hardly ever went with 5 bowlers, no team should.

It's just a stupid strategy, plus having Sanga keep and bat at 3 is not a good idea.

 

[kyear2]

Sanga can't do no3 and keeping.

Laxman doesn't belong there.

You don't need five pacers.

All of this.

 

[kyear2]

lol. So Windies gets to swap out over half their team depending on conditions but the other team has to make do with their 11. Sounds fair.

Agreed, one team for everywhere.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Rizwan is good but Pant's runs have been massively more impactful and in more tough conditions imo. Rizwan obviously a better keeper though so perfectly justifiable selecting him for the keeper-bat spot.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Rizwan is good but Pant's runs have been massively more impactful and in more tough conditions imo. Rizwan obviously a better keeper though so perfectly justifiable selecting him for the keeper-bat spot.

Exactly what i have been saying

 

[kyear2]

honestly have Dravid open (amazing against swing), Sangakkara at 3 and Younis at 6

If that's an option..

Gavaskar
Dravid
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Younis
Mushtaq
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Bumrah
Muralitharan

 

[capt_Luffy]

If Australia with Gilchrist hardly ever went with 5 bowlers, no team should.

It's just a stupid strategy, plus having Sanga keep and bat at 3 is not a good idea.

Sanga kept AND exclusively batted at 3...... A better keeper than Pant, better batter than Rizwan while doing so early career (let alone overall career, as I believe none of us rates his batting avg as 65+ like Migara) and have the most experience keeping Murali. I would rather have Younis/Virat than Pant/Dhoni/Rizwan/Engineer

 

[kyear2]

SC XI

Gavaskar
Dravid
Sangakkara
Tendulkar
Younis
Mushtaq
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Bumrah
Muralitharan

To face

Ashes XI

Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Smith
Chappell
Hammond
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
Trueman
McGrath

ROW XI

Richards
Greenidge
Richards
Lara
Pollock
Sobers
Waite
Hadlee
Marshall
Ambrose
Tayfield

 

[Johan]

Ashes XI for me

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Smith
5. Chappel
6. Hammond
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne
9. O Reilly
10. Barnes
11. McGrath

would back them to beat either due to the Bradman factor.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ashes XI for me

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Smith
5. Chappel
6. Hammond
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne
9. O Reilly
10. Barnes
11. McGrath

would back them to beat either due to the Bradman factor.

Needs another pacer imo. Miller for Chappell.

 

[Johan]

Needs another pacer imo. Miller for Chappell.

could work, Miller is a Imran level player so him over Chappel makes sense, he can bat at 7

 

[capt_Luffy]

could work, Miller is a Imran level player so him over Chappel makes sense, he can bat at 7

Miller batted almost exclusively top 5 (mostly 5). I think he should bat at 6, as Gilly is most comfortable at 7.

 

[kyear2]

Ashes XI for me

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Smith
5. Chappel
6. Hammond
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne
9. O Reilly
10. Barnes
11. McGrath

would back them to beat either due to the Bradman factor.

3 spinners and a med pacer?

 

[Coronis]

Ashes XI for me

1. Hobbs
2. Hutton
3. Bradman
4. Smith
5. Chappel
6. Hammond
7. Gilchrist
8. Warne
9. O Reilly
10. Barnes
11. McGrath

would back them to beat either due to the Bradman factor.

Wut. You have one pacer + Barnes and two spinners?

Rizwan is better keeper without any doubt but have my doubts whetever he can counter attack when team reqiures while pant is master at that

I won’t pretend Pant isn’t great at that but so is Rizwan.

Pak vs Ban 2024 Rizwan 171* off 239 - came in at 114/4, not a completely dire situation but impressive nonetheless

Pak vs SA 2021 Rizwan 115* off 204 - less counterattacking somewhat, Pakistan had a slim lead of 71 after the first innings and Rizwan came when their second innings was 63/4, Pakistan won by 95 runs

Pak in Aus 2024 Rizwan 88 off 104 - First innings of the match, he came in at 47/4.

Are some examples of his I can think of.

Rizwan is good but Pant's runs have been massively more impactful and in more tough conditions imo. Rizwan obviously a better keeper though so perfectly justifiable selecting him for the keeper-bat spot.

I think its quite important to consider both aspects of it. I was kinda joking about Rizwan being the better bat - but he is clearly a better keeper. That’s also a big factor when you’ve got Murali bowling - no offence to Pant but are we trusting him to keep to Murali?

 

[Johan]

Wut. You have one pacer + Barnes and two spinners?

Yeah Yeah I forgot Miller existed

 

[DrWolverine]

Eng/Aus 11
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Len Hutton
3. Don Bradman
4. Ken Barrington
5. Steven Smith
6. Keith Miller
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Shane Warne
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Glen McGrath
11. Sydney Barnes

This team will win against WI 11 or Asia 11.

Barrington & Smith are almost impossible to dismiss and when you add the Don easy win for them.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah Yeah I forgot Miller existed

Nah I wouldn’t have him.

Personally… an Ashes XI for me…

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Smith
Hammond
Chappell
Gilchrist+
Davidson
Warne
Barnes/Lindwall
McGrath

 

[kyear2]

Wut. You have one pacer + Barnes and two spinners?



I won’t pretend Pant isn’t great at that but so is Rizwan.

Pak vs Ban 2024 Rizwan 171* off 239 - came in at 114/4, not a completely dire situation but impressive nonetheless

Pak vs SA 2021 Rizwan 115* off 204 - less counterattacking somewhat, Pakistan had a slim lead of 71 after the first innings and Rizwan came when their second innings was 63/4, Pakistan won by 95 runs

Pak in Aus 2024 Rizwan 88 off 104 - First innings of the match, he came in at 47/4.

Are some examples of his I can think of.



I think its quite important to consider both aspects of it. I was kinda joking about Rizwan being the better bat - but he is clearly a better keeper. That’s also a big factor when you’ve got Murali bowling - no offence to Pant but are we trusting him to keep to Murali?

No.

I don't know when wicket keeping became an after thought.

Loved this discussion.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah I wouldn’t have him.

Personally… an Ashes XI for me…

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Smith
Hammond
Chappell
Gilchrist+
Davidson
Warne
Barnes/Lindwall
McGrath

Border or maybe Waugh too > Chappell in Ashes cricket tbh.

They're probably better overall too but that's a different conversation.