McGrath, Lee, Gillespie vs starc, Hazlewood, Cummins?

[capt_Luffy]

Hazelwood v Gillespie is close but mostly agree. I want to put Starc last for the lolz tbh. Think Lee would've enjoyed the pink ball.

I do agree that Starc's stats flatter him a bit and Lee would die to bowl in this era, but I just have this, almost inherent memories, of Lee being tossed around. Think overall Starc is clear of him though.

 

[Narayana]

What? Wtf?

Dravid with 39 average in aus and clue Less in south africa (despite getting 600+ in the most batting friendly series of aus).
Others stats are way worse

 

[OverratedSanity]

Starc with Red ball: 302@30.14

Lee with Red Ball; 310@30.8

Jeez that's even closer than I thought haha. Lee had on average way flatter conditions too.

 

[Spark]

Jeez that's even closer than I thought haha. Lee had on average way flatter conditions too.

Ehh if we're excluding the pink ball Tests, is that still true? The greentop era of Australian pitches has only been quite a recent phenomenon, through the first half of Starc's career the average red ball pitch was the flattest road you'd ever seen. Lee's era was also plenty roady, but it's not that big a difference I suspect.

 

[Narayana]

Starc with Red ball: 302@30.14

Lee with Red Ball; 310@30.8

So root who has batted in pink ball , should be above sachin?

 

[Johan]

Jeez that's even closer than I thought haha. Lee had on average way flatter conditions too.

Yeah think Lee is better with the red ball, almost the same numbers while bowling in a way tougher era against (imp) better batters.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ehh if we're excluding the pink ball Tests, is that still true? The greentop era of Australian pitches has only been quite a recent phenomenon, through the first half of Starc's career the average red ball pitch was the flattest road you'd ever seen. Lee's era was also plenty roady, but it's not that big a difference I suspect.

That's just home pitches, I'm talking overall. There was a worldwide flattening of pitches in Lee's era, unlike most of Starc's.

 

[Johan]

So root who has batted in pink ball , should be above sachin?

You can't be above Sachin without even having tons in Australia man, I love Root and hold him above the 2000s fab 4 (Punter, Jack, Rahul and Sanga) but he's just not Sachin level, cope with it.

 

[Narayana]

Yeah think Lee is better with the red ball, almost the same numbers while bowling in a way tougher era against (imp) better batters.

Then joe root is way better than sachin man , since 2018 7400+ runs at 50 .
With pink Ball

 

[OverratedSanity]

So root who has batted in pink ball , should be above sachin?

Damn, this is an incredible revelation tbh.

 

[Narayana]

You can't be above Sachin without even having tons in Australia man, I love Root and hold him above the 2000s fab 4 (Punter, Jack, Rahul and Sanga) but he's just not Sachin level, cope with it.

Okay one all time series needed.

 

[Johan]

Root in daynight games in Australia: 207 @ 34.50, two half centuries...

 

[Spark]

Root in daynight games in Australia: 207 @ 34.50, two half centuries...

Got hit on the gonads a lot though.

 

[Narayana]

Root in daynight games in Australia: 207 @ 34.50, two half centuries...

Root in red ball - AVG 51.53

 

[Johan]

Root in red ball - AVG 51.53

everyone knows Root is one of the Greats, c'mon now.

Got hit on the gonads a lot though.

Yikes, I can feel it

 

[Narayana]

Root in daynight games in Australia: 207 @ 34.50, two half centuries...

Waqar is a great bowler? Or not

 

[Johan]

Waqar is a great bowler? Or not

depends, there is the 1990-1994 Waqar that was genuinely godly, and then there was 1995-2003 Waqar after injuries who was Mohammad Shami level or worse.

 

[Spark]

Root in red ball - AVG 51.53

Where on earth are you getting these stats? This is, once again, completely made up. His red ball average in Australia is mid-30s with 0 Test hundreds.

 

[Narayana]

Where on earth are you getting these stats? This is, once again, completely made up. His red ball average in Australia is mid-30s with 0 Test hundreds.

When did I say in aus?

 

[Johan]

Where on earth are you getting these stats? This is, once again, completely made up. His red ball average in Australia is mid-30s with 0 Test hundreds.

I assumed he is talking about his general red ball average.