McGrath, Lee, Gillespie vs starc, Hazlewood, Cummins?

[Narayana]

Which attack is best and why?

 

[Johan]

First attack, Because McGrath.

but the second attack has better output, because spicier pitches.

 

[Narayana]

First attack, Because McGrath.

but the second attack has better output, because spicier pitches.

Hazlewood is quite similar to McGrath,he is equally effective everywhere.
Cummins is the best test fast bowler of aus after McGrath.

 

[Thala_0710]

Starc is a bit better than Lee, Hazlewood slightly above Gillespie, but Mcgrath is an ATG top 3 bowler of all time. Hence, going with them but it's pretty close

 

[Narayana]

Starc is a bit better than Lee, Hazlewood slightly above Gillespie, but Mcgrath is an ATG top 3 bowler of all time. Hence, going with them but it's pretty close

Disagree with the take on Hazlewood.
He is following the McGrath footsteps.
McGrath after 272 wickets was Averaging 22.7
Hazlewood now averaging 24.5 ,
He is the 2nd best bowler of WTC history after bumrah.
In WTC history
2nd best economy 2.76 after Anderson (2.61)
3rd best strike rates 45 after bumrahs 39 and rabada's 41.
2nd best 20.3 average after bumrahs 19.

 

[Johan]

Hazlewood averages 28 away from home and averages nearly 26 in general without bashing the hopeless club level Windies batting on Australian pitches, not even close to McGrath.

 

[Narayana]

Hazlewood averages 28 away from home and averages nearly 26 in general without bashing the hopeless club level Windies batting on Australian pitches, not even close to McGrath.

When did he played away games though?
Performed way better than anyone else in the recent NZ series.
Because of injury he is not playing away games, so often.
Played 2017 BGT, which was 7 /8 years ago,.

 

[kyear2]

First attack, Because McGrath.

but the second attack has better output, because spicier pitches.

Easily this.

 

[Johan]

When did he played away games though?
Performed way better than anyone else in the recent NZ series.
Because of injury he is not playing away games, so often.
Played 2017 BGT, which was 7 /8 years ago,.

averaged 31 in the 2023 Ashes.

 

[Narayana]

Hazlewood averages 28 away from home and averages nearly 26 in general without bashing the hopeless club level Windies batting on Australian pitches, not even close to McGrath.

Lol Waqar Wasim against top 4 of 90s away -30.8 average.
He is considered as a atg.
Hazlewood will be way better with the time.

 

[Johan]

Lol Waqar Wasim against top 4 of 90s away -30.8 average.
He is considered as a atg.
Hazlewood will be way better with the time.

what teams are we talking about

 

[Narayana]

averaged 31 in the 2023 Ashes.

McGrath averaged 30+ in Pak pitches because of highways,
Bazball prepared highway to score truckloads of runs.

 

[Johan]

McGrath averaged 30+ in Pak pitches because of highways,
Bazball prepared highway to score truckloads of runs.

that is not really an excuse, the pitches were a bit batter friendly in last Ashes because that was England's advantage, but in the 2000s Australia was absurdly flat, look at 2003-4 BGT scorecards, that's the type of pitches McGrath used to rip people apart on

 

[Narayana]

what teams are we talking about

McGrath failed badly in his first India tour.

 

[Thala_0710]

McGrath failed badly in his first India tour.

The one where he played 1 game?

 

[Johan]

McGrath failed badly in his first India tour.

it was just one test, next time he came in 2001 he bowled wonderfully

 

[Narayana]

that is not really an excuse, the pitches were a bit batter friendly in last Ashes because that was England's advantage, but in the 2000s Australia was absurdly flat, look at 2003-4 BGT scorecards, that's the type of pitches McGrath used to rip people apart on

Not excuse, if you really watched all the matches, you will realise, Most often during aus batting conditions was overcast, but most of the time during Eng batting conditions were sunny.

 

[Johan]

Not excuse, if you really watched all the matches, you will realise, Most often during aus batting conditions was overcast, but most of the time during Eng batting conditions were sunny.

are you accusing the English of weather manipulation mate

 

[Narayana]

are you accusing the English of weather manipulation mate

Just wait, bazball made Bumrah completely ineffective and chased 350+.

No bowler will average less against them , not even McGrath.

 

[OverratedSanity]

McGrath was so good that this isn't particularly close. An pace bowler of that quality raises the quality of the entire attack by himself. Also Starc is overrated as ****.