• Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Why This Is The Greatest Era Of bowling In Last 60 Years

Which era is more bowling friendly?

  • 90s era

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • Current era since 2018

    Votes: 5 62.5%

  • Total voters
    8

Narayana

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Since Last 60 years In recent times, there are many cricket fans which are debating about 90s era being more challenging than current era (since 2018/ the WTC era).

So let us compare both the era statistically -

Period- Dec 14- 2017 to Feb 29-,2020

Pace Avg -26.26

(26.26 pace average is also the lowest since 1960 (in any 100 test period).

Spin Avg- 34.14

AVG ratio- 0.77

Number of test -100

Period - 2 Feb, 2023 to 19, Jan 2025

Pace Avg -28.58

Spin Avg- -30.56 ( now rank Turner's are being made throughout Asia ) .

In last 2 years spin blowing average is only 30 which is lowest since 1960 in any 100 test period According to this article
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
T20 is there since 2007
So why did many batsmans scored truckloads of runs between 2007-2018 period?
Those batsmen didn't grow up on a T20 diet or T20 technique. Plus it took time for T20 to become so prevalent. Now we can see how it has negatively affected test batting. Hardly anyone is able to bat time. Their technique's all over the place. Most importantly very few have the right temperament now. Poorer shot selection. Impatience. It is all quite evident.

Now we are heading towards the bazball phase in test batting where most batters coming through will look to score quickly. So expect tests to finish even sooner. Things aren't gonna to get much better on the batting front in tests.
 

Narayana

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Those batsmen didn't grow up on a T20 diet or T20 technique. Plus it took time for T20 to become so prevalent. Now we can see how it has negatively affected test batting. Hardly anyone is able to bat time. Their technique's all over the place. Most importantly very few have the right temperament now. Poorer shot selection. Impatience. It is all quite evident.

Now we are heading towards the bazball phase in test batting where most batters coming through will look to score quickly. So expect tests to finish even sooner. Things aren't gonna to get much better on the batting front in tests.
What made you think " defensive batting is so rare now"?

I mean which team isn't playing defensive cricket except england?

Earlier batsman like lara, Gilly , Sehwag , Mathew Hayden used to play aggressively.

Lara strike rates is 60+ , Which is way higher than fab 4.

Didn't you Shaw in the 24 BGT, almost all player failed while playing defensive cricket, the ones who got some success , like head,pant because of agressive cricket.

You have no problem when player like Sehwag Scored 300+ by just slogging in highway pakistan pitches.
But if pant tries to attack, Then it is because of T20 .
Nostalgic fans are like you are completely biased.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
They don't have the right temperament anymore. They keep taking swipes at deliveries you are supposed to leave. Thats how most of the indian batters got out. It wasn't defensive batting/or getting out while defending. Far from it.
 
Last edited:

Narayana

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Those batsmen didn't grow up on a T20 diet or T20 technique. Plus it took time for T20 to become so prevalent. Now we can see how it has negatively affected test batting. Hardly anyone is able to bat time. Their technique's all over the place. Most importantly very few have the right temperament now. Poorer shot selection. Impatience. It is all quite evident.

Now we are heading towards the bazball phase in test batting where most batters coming through will look to score quickly. So expect tests to finish even sooner. Things aren't gonna to get much better on the batting front in tests.
T20 is one of reason but it is not the Main reason.


Here is a plot of overall bowling average (essentially the same as batting average, just with no balls and wides included) by year from 1990 onwards .

the seven years from 2018 to 2024 has had the lowest bowling average for a seven year span going all the way back to 1956-1962.

The fact that this recent decline (and indeed the increase in the 2000s) is a very distinct shift, rather than a gradual decline though should immediately indicate that there's a good chance that we're not just looking at an overall decline in batting standards.

If batting standards are getting worse, the average against spin outside of India should have dropped along with the pace average and it hasn't whatsoever. What has changed though is the effectiveness of seam bowling for three main reasons:

1- the wobble ball

2- kookaburra reinforcing their seam since 2020

3-Boards making more results-oriented pitches, perhaps because of the WTC.

Most of you will know about the wobble ball by now, but if not, it's deliberately holding the ball with a wide-fingered grip with seam cantered and therefore sending the ball down with the seam wobbling, meaning that the ball can move either way off the seam depending on the position the seam happens to be when the ball pitches. This is a very different technique to the one old-school seam bowlers (e.g. McGrath) would use where the goal was a bolt upright seam position.

Here is an article with much more details about it.

According to Widen cricket

This type of delivery has gone from being almost unknown before 2010 to being the stock ball of probably the majority of seam bowlers in tests nowadays.As a result, the amount of swing bowlers are getting on average has significantly decreased (since the goal of the wobble ball isn't to swing the ball) while the amount of seam movement has gone up (see that article for a source), and that's a bad thing for batters.

As as per the article, "Against a ball that moves 1.5 degrees or more in the air, batters, overall, average 26.70. But against balls that move off the pitch at least 0.75 degrees, only half the threshold for swing, the average hovers around 20".

These trends cannot be explained purely by a decline in batting performance.
 

Attachments

Narayana

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
They don't have the right temperament anymore. They keep taking swipes at deliveries you are supposed to leave. Thats how most of the indian batters got out. It wasn't defensive batting. Far from it.
Former players like McGrath, gavaskar said they never Shaw such level of blowing friendly pitches after Sydney test.
 

Coronis

International Coach
T20 is one of reason but it is not the Main reason.


Here is a plot of overall bowling average (essentially the same as batting average, just with no balls and wides included) by year from 1990 onwards .

the seven years from 2018 to 2024 has had the lowest bowling average for a seven year span going all the way back to 1956-1962.

The fact that this recent decline (and indeed the increase in the 2000s) is a very distinct shift, rather than a gradual decline though should immediately indicate that there's a good chance that we're not just looking at an overall decline in batting standards.

If batting standards are getting worse, the average against spin outside of India should have dropped along with the pace average and it hasn't whatsoever. What has changed though is the effectiveness of seam bowling for three main reasons:

1- the wobble ball

2- kookaburra reinforcing their seam since 2020

3-Boards making more results-oriented pitches, perhaps because of the WTC.

Most of you will know about the wobble ball by now, but if not, it's deliberately holding the ball with a wide-fingered grip with seam cantered and therefore sending the ball down with the seam wobbling, meaning that the ball can move either way off the seam depending on the position the seam happens to be when the ball pitches. This is a very different technique to the one old-school seam bowlers (e.g. McGrath) would use where the goal was a bolt upright seam position.

Here is an article with much more details about it.

According to Widen cricket

This type of delivery has gone from being almost unknown before 2010 to being the stock ball of probably the majority of seam bowlers in tests nowadays.As a result, the amount of swing bowlers are getting on average has significantly decreased (since the goal of the wobble ball isn't to swing the ball) while the amount of seam movement has gone up (see that article for a source), and that's a bad thing for batters.

As as per the article, "Against a ball that moves 1.5 degrees or more in the air, batters, overall, average 26.70. But against balls that move off the pitch at least 0.75 degrees, only half the threshold for swing, the average hovers around 20".

These trends cannot be explained purely by a decline in batting performance.
Hmm
 

Blenkinsop

U19 Captain
Player management and fitness are much better understood now than in the 90s. Especially in England, pace bowlers were bowled into the ground in first-class cricket back then, so were usually knackered and carrying injuries when they played Tests. There is no way someone like Mark Wood would have been bowling 150kph at his age if this was 1995.
 

Thala_0710

State Vice-Captain
Imo the conditions were slightly tougher or similar for batting in the 90s, but the batting standards are simply lower now and hence you get lower avgs
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
T20 is one of reason but it is not the Main reason.


Here is a plot of overall bowling average (essentially the same as batting average, just with no balls and wides included) by year from 1990 onwards .

the seven years from 2018 to 2024 has had the lowest bowling average for a seven year span going all the way back to 1956-1962.

The fact that this recent decline (and indeed the increase in the 2000s) is a very distinct shift, rather than a gradual decline though should immediately indicate that there's a good chance that we're not just looking at an overall decline in batting standards.

If batting standards are getting worse, the average against spin outside of India should have dropped along with the pace average and it hasn't whatsoever. What has changed though is the effectiveness of seam bowling for three main reasons:

1- the wobble ball

2- kookaburra reinforcing their seam since 2020

3-Boards making more results-oriented pitches, perhaps because of the WTC.

Most of you will know about the wobble ball by now, but if not, it's deliberately holding the ball with a wide-fingered grip with seam cantered and therefore sending the ball down with the seam wobbling, meaning that the ball can move either way off the seam depending on the position the seam happens to be when the ball pitches. This is a very different technique to the one old-school seam bowlers (e.g. McGrath) would use where the goal was a bolt upright seam position.

Here is an article with much more details about it.

According to Widen cricket

This type of delivery has gone from being almost unknown before 2010 to being the stock ball of probably the majority of seam bowlers in tests nowadays.As a result, the amount of swing bowlers are getting on average has significantly decreased (since the goal of the wobble ball isn't to swing the ball) while the amount of seam movement has gone up (see that article for a source), and that's a bad thing for batters.

As as per the article, "Against a ball that moves 1.5 degrees or more in the air, batters, overall, average 26.70. But against balls that move off the pitch at least 0.75 degrees, only half the threshold for swing, the average hovers around 20".

These trends cannot be explained purely by a decline in batting performance.
Wow, an actually insightful post, which doesn't fall along the tired CW constant line of "current players bad". Kudos.
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
I know Starfighter is disagreeing on the mechanism here, but I think it's hard to dispute that new ball bowling in particular has become incredibly strong in this past 8ish years, possibly overpoweringly so.

I think batting more defensive batting allrounders/wicketkeepers to open will start being seen more often, because it seems silly to me to waste multiple specialist bats risked to the role of dealing with the new ball threat, when they could instead score more runs down the order.
 

Top