Dale Steyn vs Wasim Akram

[OverratedSanity]

By saying it wasn't luck is that one team has always prioritized slip catching and ensured that their teams were well equipped. The other two this day never have. That's what I mean by saying it wasn't luck.

You've literally said in the past Wasim doesn't really deserve any sympathy for the drops off his bowling because you didn't think he lobbied/influenced enough for there to be a change in Pakistan's fielding standards. () But were sure Ambrose would have if he'd been in that situation somehow .

 

[Prince EWS]

You've literally said in the past Wasim doesn't really deserve any sympathy for the drops off his bowling because you didn't think he lobbied/influenced enough for there to be a change in Pakistan's fielding standards. ()

Haha seriously?

I give Wasim leniency for having a poor cordon but I take points off for him being a bit of a tail bully. I think that mostly evens out. Imran had poor support as well though and it isn't brought up that much.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Haha seriously?

I give Wasim leniency for having a poor cordon but I take points off for him being a bit of a tail bully. I think that mostly evens out. Imran had poor support as well though and it isn't brought up that much.

From most reports I don't think the cordon in the 80s pakistan team was as horrible as it's been since then somehow. Could be wrong though.

Anyway
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Because every other team had the sense to prioritize giving their bowlers the required support.
For example, sure Ambrose wasn't going to sit back and say nothing if they thought of dropping Hooper, just saying.

Are u intentionally being slow. You lobby, use influence, there someone out there who quite not the same batsman, can offer some level of improvement.

Even in the last series they kept the same dude there dispute losing them the game.

He played almost 20 years including a decent chunk as captain, yes there's more that could have been done, something...

 

[subshakerz]

You've literally said in the past Wasim doesn't really deserve any sympathy for the drops off his bowling because you didn't think he lobbied/influenced enough for there to be a change in Pakistan's fielding standards. () But were sure Ambrose would have if he'd been in that situation somehow .

Let's also not the forget the gem of him benching Sobers in his XI for Chris Martin.

 

[Prince EWS]

Let's also not the forget the gem of him benching Sobers in his XI for Chris Martin.

Chris Martin (spin)?

@shortpitched713

 

[Randomfan]

Steyn over Wasim without hesitation.

Wasim was 4th best pacers of his generation.

Steyn was simply a stand out pacer of his generation.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Wasim Akram, only just. My opinion.

Steyn = an awesome bowler though.

Enjoyed watching both.

 

[Coronis]

From most reports I don't think the cordon in the 80s pakistan team was as horrible as it's been since then somehow. Could be wrong though.

Anyway
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Thats crazy

 

[DrWolverine]

Wasim was 4th best pacers of his generation.

1. Was Akram unlucky to play in a generation with many all time great bowlers?

2. Was Wasim Akram lucky to be play in an era when fast bowling was much easier?

3. Was Steyn really that damn good or did his legacy benefit from there being no great bowlers during his prime(2007-2015)?

 

[subshakerz]

Chris Martin (spin)?

@shortpitched713

Yeah he insisted on not compromising the bowlers for lower order runs, so it was asked if he would have Sobers or medium pacer Chris Martin for a no.11, and he chose Martin.

 

[subshakerz]

Wasim was 4th best pacers of his generation.

Not according to ex-cricketers of that generation.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Not according to ex-cricketers of that generation.

Sachin Tedulkar: https://crictoday.com/cricket/daily...s-the-toughest-bowler-he-faced-in-his-career/

Brian Lara:

Brian Lara names the Pakistani player who was the ‘most difficult’ bowler he’s ever faced

The legendary West Indian has had his say.

www.thecricketgazette.com

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Mark Taylor, Michael Slater & Glenn McGrath:

Now of course, this is a very small sample size from former players and their opinions but clearly Wasim Akram was very highly rated by his peers/opposition players.

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah he insisted on not compromising the bowlers for lower order runs, so it was asked if he would have Sobers or medium pacer Chris Martin for a no.11, and he chose Martin.

@capt_Luffy Worse than Hayden>Tendulkar?

 

[DrWolverine]

Wasim Akram was very highly rated by his peers/opposition players.

It was only after seeing the peer/opposition acclaim he received, I stopped taking it seriously

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin Tedulkar: https://crictoday.com/cricket/daily...s-the-toughest-bowler-he-faced-in-his-career/

Brian Lara:

Brian Lara names the Pakistani player who was the ‘most difficult’ bowler he’s ever faced

The legendary West Indian has had his say.

www.thecricketgazette.com

.

Mark Taylor, Michael Slater & Glenn McGrath:

Now of course, this is a very small sample size from former players and their opinions but clearly Wasim Akram was very highly rated by his peers/opposition players.

Based on ATG XIs picked by ex players, Wasim is the pacer of the 90s and McGrath of thé 2000s.

Players
Afridi: Wasim, McGrath, Shoaib, Warne
Angelo Mathews: Wasim, Vaas, McGrath, Warne
Cook: Warne, McGrath, Anderson, Murali
Rameez: Imran, Marshall, McGrath, Warne
Harbi: Murali, Warne, Wasim, Malinga
Waqar: Imran, Wasim, McGrath, Warne
Ponting: Wasim, McGrath, Ambrose, Warne
Gillespie: Wasims, McGrath, Ambrose, Warne
Younis Khan: Imran, Hadlee, McGrath, Murali
Vettori: McGrath, Warne, Murali, Hadlee
Broad: Hadlee, Warne, McGrath, Anderson
Strauss: McGrath, Shoaib, Warne, Morkel
Ganguly: Warne, Murali, McGrath, Steyn
Collingwood: Stokes, Warne, McGrath, Wasim
Ian Bell: Steyn, McGrath, Anderson, Warne
Bob Willis: Imran, Warne, Marshall, McGrath
Swann: Warne, himself, Wasim, McGrath
Donald: Warne, McGrath, Marshall, Ambrose
Gooch: Warne, Wasim, Marshall, Lillee
Marsh: Imran, Roberts, Lillee, Qadir
Manjekar: Imran, Wasim, Marshall, Hadlee, Warne
Gough: Warne, Wasim, Waqar, Donald
Giles: Warne, Wasim, Donald, Murali
Trescothick: Wasim, Warne, Anderson, McGrath
Alex Stewart: Wasim, Marshall, Warne, Ambrose
Azhar Mahmood: Warne, Wasim, McGrath, Shoaib
Phil Tufnell: Wasim, Warne, Ambrose, McGrath
Mike Brearely: Imran, Qadir, Lillee, Roberts
Jimmy Adams: Hadlee, Marshall, Wasim, Warne
Stuart Law: Ambrose, Wasim, Warne, McGrath
Fraser: Marshall, Warne, Ambrose, Hadlee
Dharmasena: Murali, Warne, McGrath, Wasim
Mushtaq Ahmed: Wasim, Warne, McGrath, Marshall
Sanga: Warne, Murali, Wasim, Vaas
Hoggard: Warne, Ambrose, McGrath, Murali
Ravi Bopara: Murali, Wasim, Anderson, Shoaib
Mathew Fleming: Warne, Wasim, Ambrose, Murali

 

[subshakerz]

@capt_Luffy Worse than Hayden>Tendulkar?

Mind you he consider Sobers better than Bradman lol.

 

[sayon basak]

Mind you he consider Sobers better than Bradman lol.

Don't think that's worse than Hayden>Tendulkar.

 

[Van_Sri]

Wasim Akram took 255 Wickets at 24.61 Average outside Pakistan and Dale Steyn took 164 Wickets at 24.23 outside South Africa. Wasim >= Steyn

 

[capt_Luffy]

@capt_Luffy Worse than Hayden>Tendulkar?

I would have to incline to say Martin>Sobers in any situation is significantly worse than Hayden>Tendulkar

 

[sayon basak]

I would have to incline to say Martin>Sobers in any situation is significantly worse than Hayden>Tendulkar

Seems like India is a better country now.