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Sachin Tendulkar vs Jacques Kallis

Who was the better test cricketer?

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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
This isn't a batting/bowling thing. Kallis was top quality for an usually high amount of years for bats in this class and Pollock was not. Kallis averaged over 60 for close to a decade after Pollock went off the boil. Kallis was also a fast bowler. Apply the same standards to him. He averaged about 27 for nearly as long as Pollocks peak.
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I don't want to get into a debate when I already rate Kallis ahead as a bat. My Tendulkar/Kallis and McGrath/Pollock thing was just an illustration that just listing raw numbers is not a good approach

Bolo. said:
We have had the conversation about who was replacing him before. You wanted scorecards to prove he wasn't being replaced by bats. I gave them to you. You are ignoring the standards that you yourself defined. You proved yourself wrong, and ignore it at every possible opportunity. Just stop.
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The conversation we were having now is about different sides, like India, in which Kallis would potentially replace a bowler and add a new bat to the lineup. Don't sidetrack.

Bolo. said:
Kallis did not just have a good couple of years. He has the highest batting average this century, with the toughest home conditions, on top of bowling and slip fielding. As a pure bat, he is ahead of Sachin this century (59 vs 52 and a bunch more runs). And no, the difference between striking at 54 and 48 is not meaningful. Sachin had had a better career up to x point in his career* due to being better in the 90s, but for most of the time both played, Kallis outperformed as a player significantly.
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None of this is relevant to the argument I was replying to in which they said Kallis wouldn't be rated higher until Tendulkar and McGrath retired but higher by the end of his career, where I mentioned the last few good years.

Before inserting yourself, at least keep track of the chat.

Bolo. said:
*Not that I agree, but I don't think it's crazy to consider Sachin ahead as a player. 24 years is a long time. Kallis is way ahead on a game by game basis though.
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We are talking overall career.
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
Current England would rather have a Tendulkar than a Kallis for sure, current Australia too
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Yeah, but current India will probably prefer a Kallis..... Okay, SA, NZ, WI and Pakistan will prefer Tendulkar as well, but that's more because they have relatively strong bowling. Bangladesh is currently the only team to undoubtedly prefer Kallis and maybe SL will too.
 
DrWolverine

DrWolverine

International 12th Man
Obviously most teams would prefer someone like Sachin. Kallis was just slightly behind as a batsman but offers additional value though.
 
Johan

Johan

International Regular
capt_Luffy said:
Yeah, but current India will probably prefer a Kallis..... Okay, SA, NZ, WI and Pakistan will prefer Tendulkar as well, but that's more because they have relatively strong bowling. Bangladesh is currently the only team to undoubtedly prefer Kallis and maybe SL will too.
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what's the point of having a 1.5WPM 35 average 75 strike rate pacer on unproductive spin pitches? he'd just get fodderized and targetted in India, watch any Australian Ashes from last ten years and you'll see what happens when the backup to main bowlers is fodder, maybe SL would pick him but the point remains, most teams in any era would prefer a Tendulkar over a Kallis.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
Yeah, but current India will probably prefer a Kallis..... Okay, SA, NZ, WI and Pakistan will prefer Tendulkar as well, but that's more because they have relatively strong bowling. Bangladesh is currently the only team to undoubtedly prefer Kallis and maybe SL will too.
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If you ask teams in the world would you want the best batsman in the world or a great bat who can bowl, I think most will take the former.
 
Johan

Johan

International Regular
Kallis over Sanga and Ponting, Kallis vs Lara is a decent discussion but I'll give it to Lara, alongside Hammond he's the GOAT at going big.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
what's the point of having a 1.5WPM 35 average 75 strike rate pacer on unproductive spin pitches? he'd just get fodderized and targetted in India, watch any Australian Ashes from last ten years and you'll see what happens when the backup to main bowlers is fodder, maybe SL would pick him but the point remains, most teams in any era would prefer a Tendulkar over a Kallis.
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Which leads to another excellent point, Kallis bowling at home on SA significantly nerfed how good his bowling looked.
 
DrWolverine

DrWolverine

International 12th Man
Kallis had a great prime.
1999-2012
251 wickets in 227 innings @ 32. 5 5-Fers.
136 Tests. 11961 runs @ 61. 42 tons.
A 60+ average batsman and a decent fast bowler
A great asset to any cricket team in the world
 
akilana

akilana

International 12th Man
Johan said:
what's the point of having a 1.5WPM 35 average 75 strike rate pacer on unproductive spin pitches? he'd just get fodderized and targetted in India, watch any Australian Ashes from last ten years and you'll see what happens when the backup to main bowlers is fodder, maybe SL would pick him but the point remains, most teams in any era would prefer a Tendulkar over a Kallis.
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1.5wpm is due to him playing purely as a batsman in the last 1/3 part of his career. If he declined as a batsman earlier, he would have retired earlier and maintained a better wpm. If Kallis still continues to play now purely as a batmsan, his wpm would suffer, but anyone with common sense would know not to use that as an indication of overall effectiveness.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Captain
akilana said:
1.5wpm is due to him playing purely as a batsman in the last 1/3 part of his career. If he declined as a batsman earlier, he would have retired earlier and maintained a better wpm. If Kallis still continues to play now purely as a batmsan, his wpm would suffer, but anyone with common sense would know not to use that as an indication of overall effectiveness.
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He was talking about his effectiveness on Indian soil, which is a valid criticism.
 
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