Sachin Tendulkar vs Jacques Kallis

[DrWolverine]

You place an ATG top 3-5 bat like Sachin or Lara in the middle order and IND probably end up winning the whole series. Kallis would have a less of an effect with the bat.

People are underestimating Kallis with the bat. He is slightly less than Sachin as a batsman but you guys talk as if it is vast.

 

[DrWolverine]

Why wouldn't Kallis be able to score that match defining hundred? He might be inferior to Sachin/Lara as a batter but he was an ATG as well, and always felt like the gap among the top players is smaller than we often think.

Same.

The difference between top 10 batsmen(in the last 80 years) is very minimal in my opinion

 

[subshakerz]

Literally I am having as an improvement in the 4th bowler department, as I think by skill he is better than Akash Deep. We literally broke down Bumrah by overbowling him, Kallis would hugely help with that. And re batting, Kallis has a better record in Australia than Lara.

We are comparing him with Tendulkar in this thread.

Would you keep Kallis as a permanent 3/4th pace bowling option then and expect him to bat at 4 to allow an extra bat in your Indian team? He bowls 20 overs a game on average. Akash Deep bowled twice as much.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't agree re the skills level wrt Akashdeep. Akashdeep imo is a higher skilled bowler than Kallis by quite a decent margin actually. His numbers won't just show it yet, but hopefully he has a long and successful career to prove it

I would be happy if he does and he surely was very unlucky, sometimes almost comically, this tour, but can't say he really was good as well. Think Kallis could have done better. And at the very least, he is an improvement over the 4th pacer Reddy by a very fair margin. Giving him 9-10 overs an innings would have been really beneficial for Bumrah. I think in particular this tour was one where I will take Kallis over even Sachin easily, just for the flexibility he provides.

 

[capt_Luffy]

We are comparing him with Tendulkar in this thread.

Would you keep Kallis as a permanent 3/4th pace bowling option then and expect him to bat at 4 to allow an extra bat in your Indian team? He bowls 20 overs a game on average. Akash Deep bowled twice as much.

How many Reddy-Sundar-Jadeja combined bowled??

 

[subshakerz]

People are underestimating Kallis with the bat. He is slightly less than Sachin as a batsman but you guys talk as if it is vast.

The difference isn't just output but batting style. Kallis was an accumulator not someone who set the pace or dominated attacks.

 

[sayon basak]

After seeing Akash Deep bowl, I wouldn't attach the word skillful to him.

And from the footages I've seen, Kallis could swing the ball away from the batter more than Akash.

 

[subshakerz]

Same.

The difference between top 10 batsmen(in the last 80 years) is very minimal in my opinion

Kallis isnt close to top 10 for me, I guess that's why we differ. He barely makes my top 20.

 

[subshakerz]

How many Reddy-Sundar-Jadeja combined bowled??

I'm not talking one series. I am talking the permanent makeup of your team. Would Kallis be one of four regular bowlers to accommodate an extra bat?

 

[DrWolverine]

In today’s T20 age Jacques Kallis style of batting will be more useful since it is becoming more of a rarity.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

In today’s T20 age Jacques Kallis style of batting will be more useful since it is becoming more of a rarity.

Yea we’re not going to see many players like Kallis, Dravid, Chanderpaul or even Pujara anymore

 

[subshakerz]

In today’s T20 age Jacques Kallis style of batting will be more useful since it is becoming more of a rarity.

I don't see that as a reason to rate him higher.

 

[DrWolverine]

I rate him higher as a cricketer, not as a batsman

 

[sayon basak]

I rate him higher as a cricketer, not as a batsman

Higher than Sachin as a cricketer? I didn't realize that.

I rate Sachin as the 3rd greatest cricketer of all time. 2nd best batter, great all-round record, longevity, peer rating, everything's on Sachin's side.

 

[DrWolverine]

I should have used the words more appropriately

Not higher but as a better test cricketer

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'm not talking one series. I am talking the permanent makeup of your team. Would Kallis be one of four regular bowlers to accommodate an extra bat?

Hmmm..... In the Jadeja-Ashwin era I will take Sachin.
Now that Ashwin has retired and Jadeja will follow his suit, probs Kallis.
India in Sachin's age itself would benefit more from Kallis than him though.

 

[sayon basak]

Maybe not higher but as a better cricketer

How does that make sense?

 

[_00_deathscar]

If someone gives me an option to have Brian Lara or Jacques Kallis in the Indian team for next 15 years, I would choose Kallis without hesitation.

Yea but in fairness you’re a dumbass

 

[Johan]

tbh Hammond>Kallis

 

[Thala_0710]

People are underestimating Kallis with the bat. He is slightly less than Sachin as a batsman but you guys talk as if it is vast.

It is not vast in the sense that Kallis isn't an ATG but like others mentioned its not just out put. But it's certainly big enough for me that the gap can't be closed by his bowling+slip fielding