Lords ATG XIs and Bowler Peer Ratings

[Johan]

Typical English cricket self indulgence.

a lot of the teams could use some self indulgence I reckon

 

[capt_Luffy]

a lot of the teams could use some self indulgence I reckon

I really think this pushes the limits on the usage of the word "some"

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's kinda reckoning that Flintoff might have selected himself in an All Time World XI, and might still be the best player in the team.....

 

[subshakerz]

I really think this pushes the limits on the usage of the word "some"

Some of the XIs are just so biased it's cringe, surprisingly the SA ones where they are picking 5-6 players of their own team.

And Sanga making McGrath and Vaas a tossup lol...

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yk what, inspired by this XIs, I will update my own All Time World XI. Now it's:


Rohit Sharma
Shubhman Gill
Cheteshwar Pujara
Ajinkya Rahane*
Mayank Agarwal
Rishabh Pant+
Washington Sundar
Shardul Thakur
Navdeep Saini
Mohammad Siraj
T Natrajan

 

[subshakerz]

Hayden seems the favorite pick for openers followed by Sehwag.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hayden seems the favorite pick for openers followed by Sehwag.

If anything after seeing this teams, I have now waaaaaayyyyyyy less confidence on peer ratings

 

[subshakerz]

If anything after seeing this teams, I have now waaaaaayyyyyyy less confidence on peer ratings

Well excluding for national bias, I don't think their consensus picks depart dramatically from what we thought.

For the modern team:

Hayden
Sehwag/Cook
Sanga/Ponting
Sachin
Lara
Kallis
Gilly
Wasim
Warne
McGrath
Ambrose/Murali

Hayden is a bit of surprise thought not so much since they all found him intimidating as their main reason for selection. Hayden is clearly the leading opener of the modern era as far as peer rating goes.

Support for Cook was surprising. Even Ganguly opted for him over Sehwag.

Sanga got rated a lot higher than I thought.

Many folks opted for Murali even with Warne.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well excluding for national bias, I don't think their consensus picks depart dramatically from what we thought.

For the modern team:

Hayden
Sehwag/Cook
Sanga/Ponting
Sachin
Lara
Kallis
Gilly
Wasim
Warne
McGrath
Ambrose/Murali

Hayden is a bit of surprise thought not so much since they all found him intimidating as their main reason for selection. Hayden is clearly the leading opener of the modern era as far as peer rating goes.

Support for Cook was surprising. Even Ganguly opted for him over Sehwag.

Sanga got rated a lot higher than I thought.

Many folks opted for Murali even with Warne.

The overall conjecture is still rightish (Graeme Smith unlucky really) but individual ones are shitty. Now some are and some aren't, and some have a number of good choices (eg Donald bowling line-up) but makes some awful ones elsewhere (love ABD, but seriously over Sachin?). I never liked peer ratings much, but McGrath getting so highly rated was a really nice surprise; but overall it solidifies my stance on peer ratings.

 

[subshakerz]

The overall conjecture is still rightish (Graeme Smith unlucky really) but individual ones are shitty. Now some are and some aren't, and some have a number of good choices (eg Donald bowling line-up) but makes some awful ones elsewhere (love ABD, but seriously over Sachin?). I never liked peer ratings much, but McGrath getting so highly rated was a really nice surprise; but overall it solidifies my stance on peer ratings.

Well it solidified my stance on peer ratings. Individual ratings can be very flawed but overall consensus can be useful.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well it solidified my stance on peer ratings. Individual ratings can be very flawed but overall consensus can be useful.

Still there are some questionably surplus lack of Steyn and the Smiths, but yeah, better atleast.

 

[subshakerz]

Still there are some questionably surplus lack of Steyn and the Smiths, but yeah, better atleast.

Steyn got more mentions from current 2010s onwards players as opposed to the 2000s ones.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Steyn got more mentions from current 2010s onwards players as opposed to the 2000s ones.

I will say though, the combined team is very highly predictable. The only two 'shockers' were Cook's ratings, but they have overall increased when he scored 12K runs (remember a few Tendulkar comparisons from back then), and McGrath being universally rated so highly (the best part honestly, if not the only valid takeaway).

 

[kyear2]

Even the photographer they interviewed picked Barry and Greenidge.

Link to that one?

 

[kyear2]

Strange as I thought the trio of Marshall, Lillee and Wasim had considerably better peer ratings.

By generations

70's - Lillee
80's - Marshall
90's - Akram
00's - McGrath

 

[kyear2]

Rameez, Manjrekar, Brearely chose Gavaskar only.

Barry was picked by Gooch, Willis, Marsh.

In fact several picked Gooch and Greenidge too. No clear favorite of that era as opener.

So of the major bowlers they may have faced .

Lillee, Thompson, Willis, Procter all favor Barry.

Snow is really the only one who's opinion that's missing from the 70's.

 

[subshakerz]

Link to that one?

Sure

 

[subshakerz]

So of the major bowlers they may have faced .

Lillee, Thompson, Willis, Procter all favor Barry.

Snow is really the only one who's opinion that's missing from the 70's.

Gooch and Greenidge also have surprisingly high peer ratings.

Frankly I would say there isn't a clear consensus on the best opener of the 70s/80s.

 

[subshakerz]

By generations

70's - Lillee
80's - Marshall
90's - Akram
00's - McGrath

Akram easily crushes Ambrose as far as peer rating goes.

 

[Window]

Kinda funny that a number of English and Aussie players exclusively select just other English and Aussie players. Makes sense I guess, their Ashes experiences playing against each other leaves an impression.