Ricky Ponting vs Victor Trumper

[CodeOfWisden]

Brook>>Viv (Hence proved)

If Brooks retires with that average and strike rate then why not? Didn't get your point.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If Brooks retires with that average and strike rate then why not? Didn't get your point.

No ofcourse I meant if he retires today.

Like for instance,
Root>>>>Sobers

 

[sayon basak]

Didn't get your point.

I don't doubt that.

 

[capt_Luffy]

different sure, I don't think mid 90mph pacers were a thing until Larwood, and I don't think Trumper's gonna be able to face 150kmph pacers without training, but again, Ponting would also get slaughtered on sticky wickets by good spinners considering how early he threw out his leg and made himself vulnerable to uneven bounce and unpredictable turn, both have different skill sets but a fundamental comparison is still possible, compare them with their peers if you think the challenges they faced is too different.

I know people who can bowl 130+ without any specialised training at all. Thomson also didn't exactly had anything like today's medical support to bowl 160+. Won't be surprised if Kortright or Jones touched 150 occasionally at all. And tell me, how often a bowler bowls 150+ consistently?? And if that's the golden standard, then ofcourse Akhtar, Lee and Tait are top 10 bowlers. There's a reason bowling speeds aren't going up or bowler's aren't trying to constantly bowl 150+ with all the modern medical science and training. It's mostly just not worth it.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

No ofcourse I meant if he retires today.

Like for instance,
Root>>>>Sobers

I doubt Sobers would be Cummins’s bitch like Root is. Not a great analogy.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

C

I know people who can bowl 130+ without any specialised training at all. Thomson also didn't exactly had anything like today's medical support to bowl 160+. Won't be surprised if Kortright or Jones touched 150 occasionally at all. And tell me, how often a bowler bowls 150+ consistently?? And if that's the golden standard, then ofcourse Akhtar, Lee and Tait are top 10 bowlers. There's a reason bowling speeds aren't going up or bowler's aren't trying to constantly bowl 150+ with all the modern medical science and training. It's mostly just not worth it.

Can you pray tell how a 48 year old Jack Hobbs was able to play 140-150 kph, he must have been a genetic freak.

See, people like you exist everywhere, closing your eyes and accepting any BS that is told, helps propagate myths and fantasies.

 

[Johan]

I know people who can bowl 130+ without any specialised training at all. Thomson also didn't exactly had anything like today's medical support to bowl 160+. Won't be surprised if Kortright or Jones touched 150 occasionally at all. And tell me, how often a bowler bowls 150+ consistently?? And if that's the golden standard, then ofcourse Akhtar, Lee and Tait are top 10 bowlers. There's a reason bowling speeds aren't going up or bowler's aren't trying to constantly bowl 150+ with all the modern medical science and training. It's mostly just not worth it.

Steroids

I doubt Sobers would be Cummins’s bitch like Root is. Not a great analogy.

"I don't actually hate Root bro, I just drop in every convo he is in to bitch about him."

 

[CodeOfWisden]

You can only compare those batsman with their contemporaries, they are legends but none of them ever faced a cherry at 140 kph let alone 150.

 

[Johan]

C

Can you pray tell how a 48 year old Jack Hobbs was able to play 140-150 kph, he must have been a genetic freak.

See, people like you exist everywhere, closing your eyes and accepting any BS that is told, helps propagate myths and fantasies.

same way Geoffrey Boycott at 45 made a hundred in first class against Malcolm Marshall.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

No ofcourse I meant if he retires today.

Like for instance,
Root>>>>Sobers

See, this is intellectual dishonesty. Nobody has given you an equation here that batsman starting their career at nth year will be lesser skilled than the one who started at n+1.

There is a nascent period in every sport. You are extrapolating my post in a silly manner.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I think the standard of the sport has definitely improved significantly

But I generally just compare players to their peers when determining greatness

 

[sayon basak]

"I don't actually hate Root bro, I just drop in every convo he is in to bitch about him."

This is a good analogy.

 

[Johan]

same way Geoffrey Boycott at 45 made a hundred in first class against Malcolm Marshall.

absolute peak Marshall btw, running through the whole attack

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/45/45960.html

 

[sayon basak]

I know people who can bowl 130+ without any specialised training at all.

@Wanna_Be_AB can bowl 130 kmph, though I'm not sure if he is not steroid or not (lol my leg spinners rarely go beyond 78/79 kmph)

 

[CodeOfWisden]

same way Geoffrey Boycott at 45 made a hundred in first class against Malcolm Marshall.

Boycott was born in 1940 and ended his test career at 41 years of age, are you talking about some backyard game they played where boycs scored 100.
Your first argument is factually wrong, secondly I knwo about Boycs, Misbah, Khan they are one offs.In the pre war every other player was playing past his 40

Take a look at this and try to understand my argument

oldest players in test

 

[capt_Luffy]

See, this is intellectual dishonesty. Nobody has given you an equation here that batsman starting their career at nth year will be lesser skilled than the one who started at n+1.

There is a nascent period in every sport. You are extrapolating my post in a silly manner.

1900s weren't the nascent period. To put it simply, before the 70s most players were semi professionals. There is less separating the times of Trumper and Sobers than Sobers and Root, in both time and development of technology.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

Boycott was born in 1940 and ended his test career at 41 years of age, are you talking about some backyard game they played where boycs scored 100.
Your first argument is factually wrong, secondly I knwo about Boycs, Misbah, Khan they are one offs.In the pre war every other player was playing past his 40

Take a look at this and try to understand my argument

oldest players in test

In the top 25 you will see players pre 1950. That's conclusive evidence for me.

 

[Johan]

Boycott was born in 1940 and ended his test career at 41 years of age, are you talking about some backyard game they played where boycs scored 100.
Your first argument is factually wrong, secondly I knwo about Boycs, Misbah, Khan they are one offs.In the pre war every other player was playing past his 40

Take a look at this and try to understand my argument

oldest players in test

I already agreed pacers weren't as fast so playing longer was viable, a lot of it also comes down to the fact that the pitches were uncovered and that's why spinners never lost effectiveness with age. all these guys also played less Cricket than today, lost years to the war and thus their bodies were generally worn down less. we saw Jimmy Anderson play to 42 just because he ditched other formats and rested well, why can't spinners of today do that? they can as well, but they choose not to.

regardless, No it was a professional County match between Hampshire and Yorkshire where Boycott and Marshall faced when Boycott was 45 years old

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/45/45960.html

just for reference, here is Boycott making 76 and 125* against Sir Richard Hadlee at 45

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/46/46459.html

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

I already agreed pacers weren't as fast so playing longer was viable, a lot of it also comes down to the fact that the pitches were uncovered and that's why spinners never lost effectiveness with age. all these guys also played less Cricket than today, lost years to the war and thus their bodies were generally worn down less. we saw Jimmy Anderson play to 42 just because he ditched other formats and rested well, why can't spinners of today do that? they can as well, but they choose not to.

regardless, No it was a professional County match between Hampshire and Yorkshire where Boycott and Marshall faced when Boycott was 45 years old

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/45/45960.html

just for reference, here is Boycott making 76 and 125* against Sir Richard Hadlee at 45

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/46/46459.html

That’s 2 of the greatest fast bowlers in history really. And Hobbs was leagues above Boycott as a batsman. Boycott himself would fully agree with this statement. Then there would be some guy with some stupid opinion like in earlier posts.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

I know people who can bowl 130+ without any specialised training at all. Thomson also didn't exactly had anything like today's medical support to bowl 160+. Won't be surprised if Kortright or Jones touched 150 occasionally at all. And tell me, how often a bowler bowls 150+ consistently?? And if that's the golden standard, then ofcourse Akhtar, Lee and Tait are top 10 bowlers. There's a reason bowling speeds aren't going up or bowler's aren't trying to constantly bowl 150+ with all the modern medical science and training. It's mostly just not worth it.

150 no. 130-135 and touching high 130s or may be low 140s on occasions, definitely. That on itself is probably as big of a challenge as of now in pitches of those day.