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Sunil Gavaskar vs Wally Hammond

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Sunil Gavaskar

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • Wally Hammond

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • Total voters
    36
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
That literally is the argument vs Lillee, he played primarily in helpful conditions, not all but mostly.

The pitches in India were primarily slow as hell.
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Lillee averaged 23 ish at home. His home conditions were helpful for pacers with real pace, but pretty terrible for medium pacers and spinners.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
Yes, so I believe unless you think Chappell was as good as Richards (Viv, not Barry whom you believe as top 10), this comparison is pointless.

Lillee>>Marshall confirmed

Have my questions on WSC. Home bullying to the upteenth in Tests.
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Literally no part of this sentence makes any sense.

Chappell wasn't as good as Vivian, no where did I say he was. And I have Barry 9th, Viv 3rd / 4th currently.

I was also quite clear that I think that Chappell, Chappell and Hammond are all really close. ATGs all, just not in that top tier.

The close voting here bears that out.

Don't get the Lillee over Marshall thing at all, but do you dude.

If I recall the series which Chappell did the best was at least partially in the Caribbean, but I can check to verify.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
He referred to them as "from the jungle" which I suppose is a bit different than calling someone a monkey; not to mention it's not a uncommon phrase to refer to a wild crowd in India.
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I can't believe you're back to defending this **** again.

Swear we had this conversation a few months back. What the ****.
 
Johan

Johan

International Regular
kyear2 said:
His catching was his significant all round contribution, the bowling was secondary to that.

Arguably the greatest slip fielder ever.
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On Hammond vs Hutton, Hammond has two big holes in his Resume that Hutton just doesn't
  • Hammond's home record against Australia isn't good, even in the 30s he is averaging less than 40 at home against Australia, with only one big inning (240)
  • His one sided domination by Sir Constantine.
On the other hand, Hutton's the exact opposite
  • in his first home Ashes, Hutton made 473 runs in 4 innings at an average of 118.25 and two hundreds.
  • In his first series against Carribean, Hutton made 480 runs in 6 innings at an average of 96 and two hundreds.
due to this + opening + general domination in the horrid 50s era/England I believe Hutton to be a clearly superior Batsmen, the bowling of Hammond and captaincy of Hutton cancels each other out for me. so It's just, does Hammond's slip work make the batting gap for me irrelevant? No imo, it makes it close tho.
 
Johan

Johan

International Regular
capt_Luffy said:
Lillee averaged 23 ish at home. His home conditions were helpful for pacers with real pace, but pretty terrible for medium pacers and spinners.
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Always been of the belief that Australia is tailor cut for pacers like Lillee barring the super flat 2002-2020 era, just have real pace and bowl a correct line and you'd destroy lineups
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
Literally no part of this sentence makes any sense.

Chappell wasn't as good as Vivian, no where did I say he was. And I have Barry 9th, Viv 3rd / 4th currently.

I was also quite clear that I think that Chappell, Chappell and Hammond are all really close. ATGs all, just not in that top tier.

The close voting here bears that out.

Don't get the Lillee over Marshall thing at all, but do you dude.

If I recall the series which Chappell did the best was at least partially in the Caribbean, but I can check to verify.
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Yk I rate Viv and Gavaskar next to eachother, hence I said that. Barry was a dig just.

And I have disagreed. I think Gavaskar is in that Top tier (below Don one), and Hammond is probably too. Not Chappell, who belongs in the one below with Kallis, Ponting and Root.

By peer rating, Lillee is much better than Marshall.

His WSC one, yes. But I have my questions regarding them. Overall, his away record is Farzi as hell.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
capt_Luffy said:
I don't think he ever said they should go back to trees. He said they were savages though, as according to him, the crowd behaved savagely. Was reading a Reddit Thread on it the other day, the argument overall seemed pretty convincing to me.
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A reddit populated with persons from the Caribbean who were targeted?
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
duh, Trueman got wickets where you should know how to swing the ball and make use of the grass, Lillee got wickets where you must have speed and know where to bowl.
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I know, I meant to equalise Trueman's home conditions advantage.
 
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