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Is Jasprit Bumrah a chucker?

capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Not liking this "Murali chucked" tandem anymore, so I will just say ''Warne chucked'' and it now turns into a Murali vs Warne debate, and hence can't be continued here but only in the *Official* Thread. Thank me later
 
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Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
sayon basak said:
What about him tho?
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The one that annoyed me was when Pakistan beat England in 2005. In the first test, they won by about 20 runs but had a guy called Shabbir Ahmed who took 5-79 in the match and then never played again because he was suspended for a dodgy action.
Fuller Pilch said:
You mean like Brett Lee and Kyle Mills
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And James Kirtley. Tony Lock too?

There was definitely still some post-Imperial snobbery and reverse-snobbery involved in all the debates though. Also cricket's laws are often viewed as being much more about the "spirit" of the game rather than technicalities. To many fans Murali chucked because it looked like he chucked and that was sufficient. But then saying that, Murali playing helped a new cricket power emerge and made the game more diverse and interesting
 
nightprowler10

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
Ali TT said:
The one that annoyed me was when Pakistan beat England in 2005. In the first test, they won by about 20 runs but had a guy called Shabbir Ahmed who took 5-79 in the match and then never played again because he was suspended for a dodgy action.
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I watched that match almost ball-by-ball. From memory, Shabbir's action was not that bad in his 1st innings where he took most of his wickets. It was the beginning of the 2nd innings where his action fell apart (not sure why) and he took the key wicket of Trescothick who edged a fairly straight one onto his stumps. Tresco had made 192 in the first dig so one could argue it was a big impact, but England had looked mentally shot after Pakistan's fight back in the match, and that one wicket didn't make them collapse for 170-odd. Most of the wickets fell to Shoaib's reverse swinging full toss balls and Kaneria's stock delivery.

Shabbir seemed like a really nice guy when I met him 10 years ago in a Chicago tourney. Made me feel bad we seemed to not have made much of an effort bringing him back.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Skyliner said:
I know what a throw is. But these guys with weird amounts of flex in their arms look odd, and moreover seem to take more wickets than people with the classic ‘straight arm’ action.
Bumrah’s ‘run up’ is mostly a walk, a couple of hops, and then an awful lot of speed generated by his interesting action.
The leader of the pack in the ‘flex’ department was Murali. Apparently he had a deformity and couldn’t straighten his arm, so therefore whatever he was doing was all well and good apparently. Well that seemed to be the prevailing view, and the one the ICC went with. Another view would be that if you have a deformity and can’t get your arm to conform to the laws of cricket then that’s really unfortunate but you can’t play: the rules are the rules.
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If rules were rules, McGrath and Pollock should have been no balled to oblivion.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Line and Length said:
The Portus report and the 2004 ICC law change were made well after Daryl Hair called Murali in 1996. As the law stood at the time, Hair's call was correct. Subsequent tests of Murali and the Portus report and a revised law change legitimised Murali's action. Murali was never a scapegoat, he was the catalyst for change.
As for Bumrah's action, as unique as it is, it is perfectly legal and would have been before the 2004 law change.
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The stinky ones were Ross Emerson's calls. Especially when a leg break was called. It showed the whole thing was not "an umpires see a bowler and calls no ball" issue. One of the hideous acts by Australian Cricket.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Captain
nightprowler10 said:
I watched that match almost ball-by-ball. From memory, Shabbir's action was not that bad in his 1st innings where he took most of his wickets. It was the beginning of the 2nd innings where his action fell apart (not sure why) and he took the key wicket of Trescothick who edged a fairly straight one onto his stumps. Tresco had made 192 in the first dig so one could argue it was a big impact, but England had looked mentally shot after Pakistan's fight back in the match, and that one wicket didn't make them collapse for 170-odd. Most of the wickets fell to Shoaib's reverse swinging full toss balls and Kaneria's stock delivery.

Shabbir seemed like a really nice guy when I met him 10 years ago in a Chicago tourney. Made me feel bad we seemed to not have made much of an effort bringing him back.
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It makes sense. If his body went through a lot of stress and workload in the first innings, there would be a natural tendency to chuck it (without realizing).

Similar to Ajmal.
 
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Ali TT

International Vice-Captain
nightprowler10 said:
I watched that match almost ball-by-ball. From memory, Shabbir's action was not that bad in his 1st innings where he took most of his wickets. It was the beginning of the 2nd innings where his action fell apart (not sure why) and he took the key wicket of Trescothick who edged a fairly straight one onto his stumps. Tresco had made 192 in the first dig so one could argue it was a big impact, but England had looked mentally shot after Pakistan's fight back in the match, and that one wicket didn't make them collapse for 170-odd. Most of the wickets fell to Shoaib's reverse swinging full toss balls and Kaneria's stock delivery.

Shabbir seemed like a really nice guy when I met him 10 years ago in a Chicago tourney. Made me feel bad we seemed to not have made much of an effort bringing him back.
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It was, however, the fourth time he'd been called in his career and he was quite young at the time so probably more a question mark over whether he should've ever been in the side. Nothing against the guy personally. It looks like he carried only playing domestic cricket for a while though at least.
 
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