subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Kyear upgrading Barry ruins much of his arguments because he doesn't care about actual record except when he wants to.
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Warne vs Gavaskar
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Can people list what are the arguments against the following players?
1. Sachin
2. Smith
3. Sobers
4. Richards
5. Lara
1. Sachin
2. Smith
3. Sobers
4. Richards
5. Lara
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
1. Sachin no real monster series and could have scored more daddy tons.
2. Smith really padded peak record and decline coincided with better bowling era.
3. Sobers a bit of a home basher and poor against NZ.
4. Viv couldn't maintain ATG consistency for much of his latter career.
5. Lara relatively weaker away record and issues against high quality pace.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Can you explain? His peak started in 2014 and he was ahead of everyone else during his peak.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
I am assuming you are talking about double centuries. Sachin holds the record of most 150+ scores in test cricket.
sayon basak
International Captain
He also got out in the 90's noticable number of times.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
He has many multiple series averaging 100 plus against poor attacks or on flat tracks in that time. The pitches in Aus in mid 2010s were ridiculously flat to the extent that Pakistani bats were scoring double tons. It really juiced up his peak average.
Not to say other top tiers didn't cash in but that was a particularly easy stretch to boost his record.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah double tons. Tendulkar has five, I mean that's ok but with 200 games he should have more. It's a minor flaw.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
In a way I think lack of monster series and 200+ scores shows more consistency really. They do have a habit of coming against weaker opponents more often than not really.
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Steven Smith did do very well at home but he was equally good and ahead of the rest in away conditions as well during his peak(2014-2017)
2014-2017 : In Australia(against SENA-IP)
2014-2017 : Away(in SENA-IP)
2014-2017 : In Australia(against SENA-IP)
2014-2017 : Away(in SENA-IP)
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Include 2018, when Virat had 2 ATG tours of England and South Africa; and Smith overall wasn't that ahead back then away. He though again pulled ahead quite much with the 2019 Ashes, but his decline also hasn't been particularly serene (albeit not way near bad, say like Kohli).
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean, if Kohli had scored a 100, 90 and a 236; I might just had said it was a pretty great series for him. Alas!!
BazBall21
International Captain
Can't rule it out in Sydney. If Kohli scores a hundred there, I still wouldn't say he's had a great series. Wouldn't bet on it though.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
2 100s still, that's a whole ass 200 less. Now if he scored a Great century, I won't say this series was bad either.
BazBall21
International Captain
One more test though on a pitch so flat Holding didn't take a single wicket after running riot all series before. Not saying Kohli has had an identical series as he hasn't, just illustrating why I think you overrate Gavaskar's series in 83/84 (among a couple of others).
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
No argument against Smith away during that time. But him being awesome away while padding massively at home can both be true.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Two tons in a series at the end of the day are still acceptable returns I suppose.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I think an occasional more monster series and 200s would have just added to the Tendulkar threat level. I understand the consistency part though but Tendulkar didn't seem to have the 'beast mode' the other top tiers did.