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Help me figure out who the No. 5 in my AT XI should be (Richards vs Others)

who should be the no. 5?


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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
I think its a bit different with Steyn considering how modern he was and we were clearly able to all tell the difference with our own eyes. Its a little harder going back in the annals of time.
You are just totally escaping the route here. Modern or not has pretty much nothing to do with this really.
20s- 30s had just too much of batting talent. One could make a case for any of Sutcliffe, Headley, Hammond to be in World Xi. Bradman ofc the 1st name in the team. All probably make the 2nd Xi and definitely the 3rd. Pretty much like 80s with Marshall, Imran and Hadlee. When the bowling talent was very high. Steyn and Hobbs case are just exact similar. It doesn’t diminish the greatness of either Hobbs or Steyn tho.

You say yourself Which of those guys pre-WW1 you put up there with Headley, Hammond or Sutcliffe you say?? Just be honest??
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
You are just totally escaping the route here. Modern or not has pretty much nothing to do with this really.
20s- 30s had just too much of batting talent. One could make a case for any of Sutcliffe, Headley, Hammond to be in World Xi. Bradman ofc the 1st name in the team. All probably make the 2nd Xi and definitely the 3rd. Pretty much like 80s with Marshall, Imran and Hadlee. When the bowling talent was very high. Steyn and Hobbs case are just exact similar.

You say yourself Which of those guys pre-WW1 you put up there with Headley, Hammond or Sutcliffe you say?? Just be honest??
Trumper
 

Coronis

International Coach
You are just totally escaping the route here. Modern or not has pretty much nothing to do with this really.
20s- 30s had just too much of batting talent. One could make a case for any of Sutcliffe, Headley, Hammond to be in World Xi. Bradman ofc the 1st name in the team. All probably make the 2nd Xi and definitely the 3rd. Pretty much like 80s with Marshall, Imran and Hadlee. When the bowling talent was very high. Steyn and Hobbs case are just exact similar. It doesn’t diminish the greatness of either Hobbs or Steyn tho.

You say yourself Which of those guys pre-WW1 you put up there with Headley, Hammond or Sutcliffe you say?? Just be honest??
I don’t personally. The only guys who make it up that high for me are Hobbs and Barnes. As I said though, due to the length of time and difference between the 1900’s to post-war cricket its difficult to tell exactly how good they were. In the 1910’s things were starting to trend very much towards post-war cricket (in terms of averages) and Barnes and Hobbs were clearly well ahead of their contemporaries at that point.
 

Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
I don’t personally. The only guys who make it up that high for me are Hobbs and Barnes. As I said though, due to the length of time and difference between the 1900’s to post-war cricket its difficult to tell exactly how good they were. In the 1910’s things were starting to trend very much towards post-war cricket (in terms of averages) and Barnes and Hobbs were clearly well ahead of their contemporaries at that point.
Incredible to think England had produced easily 3 of the greatest cricketers ever already Pre-Bradman and Australia had none to compare. Barnes and Hobbs probably looking at English players and shaking their head really on the quality of players England have produced in decades.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Incredible to think England had produced easily 3 of the greatest cricketers ever already Pre-Bradman and Australia had none to compare. Barnes and Hobbs probably looking at English players and shaking their head really on the quality of players England have produced in decades.
Not to mention the Doctor.
 

Coronis

International Coach
WI lost less.
The quote was bowlers win tests. So I’m talking about wins.

iirc (and don’t quote me on this) but the difference in losses was relatively small. But the gap in win rate was far more significant. (this also obviously depends on the exact timeframe you use for each team)

As we all know, Australia has those two streaks of 16 wins in 99-01 and 05-08. Windies had a streak of 11 in 84 when Marshall and Garner were both brilliant.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
The quote was bowlers win tests. So I’m talking about wins.

iirc (and don’t quote me on this) but the difference in losses was relatively small. But the gap in win rate was far more significant. (this also obviously depends on the exact timeframe you use for each team)

As we all know, Australia has those two streaks of 16 wins in 99-01 and 05-08. Windies had a streak of 11 in 84 when Marshall and Garner were both brilliant.
The 80s was a draw era anyways.
 

kyear2

International Coach
The quote was bowlers win tests. So I’m talking about wins.

iirc (and don’t quote me on this) but the difference in losses was relatively small. But the gap in win rate was far more significant. (this also obviously depends on the exact timeframe you use for each team)

As we all know, Australia has those two streaks of 16 wins in 99-01 and 05-08. Windies had a streak of 11 in 84 when Marshall and Garner were both brilliant.

' 84 Windies vs '02 Australia

Who wins?

Back to back, home and away series.

Each team keeps rules and let's say types of pitches from said eras...
 

DrWolverine

International 12th Man
I am more interested to know how effective the WI bowlers would be without the bouncer rule and batsman having protective equipment.
 

kyear2

International Coach
I am more interested to know how effective the WI bowlers would be without the bouncer rule and batsman having protective equipment.
When the WI team truly elevated to the greatest team ever in the 80's helmets were already in use.

And with regards to the bouncer rule, I'm sure the ICC was wondering that as well, it's why they instituted it. Was never a problem though when Lillee and Thompson were overdoing it, let's not even mention Lindwall and Miller. Constantine and Martindale did too use it to hood effect vs Hammond and co.

But realistically, only Holding and Croft overdid the bouncers. Marshall's were more lethal, but they would have been hard to outlaw as most of his were aimed into the body.

But yes, there was protective equipment since WSC, and a good thing, because without it a lot of these modern cricketers would be dead.

But interesting why it's asked of them and not any that preceded them. And also, why? Garner was as accurate as any bowler ever, had an amazing yorker and utilized his extra bounce perfectly outside the off stump. Marshall was as skilled as any bowler ever. Persons love to reference Wasim, but Marshall could swing the ball both ways, was express but could also slow it down to utilize the cutter. He was also ridiculously accurate. No one worked at their craft more than he did.

Even Holding used the bumper to get you onto the back foot.

But the media did their best to portray it otherwise, which was very unfortunate, again and especially considering they just took it from the Aussies.
 

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