Fred Trueman vs Joel Garner

[sayon basak]

I don't get what people are demanding from Hobbs. Isn't adapting to the skill set of your own time exactly the point?

 

[Johan]

1. More than 2-3 countries are playing the game
2. More people have access to becoming cricketers
3. Cricket is a full time profession for players

1. That doesn't mean anything, just because Papa New Guinea and Nigeria starts playing in 10 years won't mean Cricket from today becomes invalid. can also be applied to 90s when there were only 6 legit teams, now there's like a 100 playing international cricket.
2. so?
3. so was it for many 100 years ago, and People do stuff outside of it anyway, same way they did it...100 years ago

 

[subshakerz]

Tendulkar struggled with every single great pacer he met bar Ambrose and Steyn yeah

Untrue. He didn't dominate many of them but didn't struggle per se. At no point did any pacer 'find out' Tendulkar.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't get what people are demanding from Hobbs. Isn't adapting to the skill set of your own time exactly the point?

It's more about the unreliability of the time he adapted to.

 

[sayon basak]

Untrue. He didn't dominate many of them but didn't struggle per se.

@Johan is actually not wrong. If you are struggling against Anderson, Pollock, McGrath, Donald, then what should I say?

Sachin wasn't some God vs fast bowling who just took on everybody you mentioned.
Look at his stats against Anderson, Pollock, Donald and McGrath.
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[Johan]

Except we saw the quality of bowlers that Viv played and succeeded against. Who watching Reddy today thinks he can repeat that?

we saw the bowlers Hobbs destroyed as well, Larwood, Grimmett and so forth, there's enough footage, not convinced the standard was any lower.

 

[subshakerz]

@Johan is actually not wrong. If you are struggling against Anderson, Pollock, McGrath, Donald, then what should I say?

There is a difference between not dominating certain bowlers but getting out to a mix of bowlers from that team versus actively struggling in your technical game against specific bowlers and being found out.

The latter never happened to Tendulkar against great bowlers. He had a mix of good and moderate to occasional poor series but wasn't struggling against any bowler specifically.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I’m confident Hobbs could adapt and do well against spinners and medium pacers like Ashwin and Philander on pitches that assist them

Idk how he’d do against ATG fast bowling though

 

[kyear2]

Yeah I am leaning with them now. Too bad I can't have @kyear2 s confidence in Barry which would be a nice leftfield choice but he obviously doesn't qualify.

You can say you disagree with the choice, can't say he doesn't qualify. He played test cricket.

As I said, I select based on who would I trust to put on a pitch today who would succeed. And of course traits / ability.

I'm work for a financial institution and in interviews we more look for behavioral competencies over functional ones. Barry has every single intangible that I'm looking for, and I know he would succeed.

With regards to confidence, it doesn't require any. Including his tests, WSC, and the ROW series he averaged 62.

In non test matches including the best bowlers of his era he averaged 58.

In fc matches vs touring test teams he averaged 75.

You're the contemporary peer ratings guy, in real time from 70 - 76 he was seen as the best bat in the world.

Lillee rates him with Sobers and Viv. Thompson rated him at least the equal of Chappell who he rates as the best in the era. He out both to the sword.

Pollock and Procter both called him the best batsman they've ever seen, Pollock rating him along with Sobers.

He made the Cricinfo 2nd team and the Roar though enough of him to select him in their XI to face the Wisden selections. Crowe also selects him in his second all time team.

An opener with a technique and ability to handle the moving ball who can accelerate an innings? That doesn't exist.

300 runs in a day, 9 hundreds before lunch, who else can do that? Triple hundred off Lillee, McKenzie and Lock, doubles off of Snow and Procter.

I know we have to disagree about everything, but this doesn't call for confidence.

Apologies for the long response.

 

[Coronis]

Two reasons really:
1) Barnes never had a Test career even close to length of that of Hobbs. He played two tests in early 1900s and was dropped for being a huge dick and playing in Lancashire League. He was someone who valued money over anything else. So had a effective career of 7 years. Hobbs longer than Tendulkar.
2) He played even before Hobbs and some people aren't exactly sure of his bowling style.
3) He wasn't as ahead of the pack as Hobbs was.
4) They played in a significantly bowler friendlier era, hence batsmen who can shatter the norm are more highly regarded.
5) Higher competition for the opening bowlers really.

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and was dropped for being a huge dick and playing in Lancashire League. He was someone who valued money over anything else.

This is about the stupidest thing I’ve read on here. We should also exclude every **** who played in WSC and IPL. Lets also exclude Bradman for being a massive piece of **** hypocrite and selfishly earning money for himself during his career with his **** writing and getting mad over WSC. Lets also exclude your favourite “amateur” W.G Grace, probably the most selfish and money grubbing player in the history of the game.

 

[sayon basak]

There is a difference between not dominating certain bowlers but getting out to a mix of bowlers from that team versus actively struggling in your technical game against specific bowlers and being found out.

The latter never happened to Tendulkar against great bowlers.

If Averaging 12 and 8 against Pollock and Donald over 11 tests isn't struggling against specific bowlers, then we have had enough of a discussion.

 

[Johan]

Sachin struggled with Hansie Cronje lol

 

[sayon basak]

You can say you disagree with the choice, can't say he doesn't qualify. He played test cricket.

As I said, I select based on who would I trust to put on a pitch today who would succeed. And of course traits / ability.

I'm work for a financial institution and in interviews we more look for behavioral competencies over functional ones. Barry has every single intangible that I'm looking for, and I know he would succeed.

With regards to confidence, it doesn't require any. Including his tests, WSC, and the ROW series he averaged 62.

In non test matches including the best bowlers of his era he averaged 58.

In fc matches vs touring test teams he averaged 75.

You're the contemporary peer ratings guy, in real time from 70 - 76 he was seen as the best bat in the world.

Lillee rates him with Sobers and Viv. Thompson rated him at least the equal of Chappell who he rates as the best in the era. He out both to the sword.

Pollock and Procter both called him the best batsman they've ever seen, Pollock rating him along with Sobers.

He made the Cricinfo 2nd team and the Roar though enough of him to select him in their XI to face the Wisden selections. Crowe also selects him in his second all time team.

An opener with a technique and ability to handle the moving ball who can accelerate an innings? That doesn't exist.

300 runs in a day, 9 hundreds before lunch, who else can do that? Triple hundred off Lillee, McKenzie and Lock, doubles off of Snow and Procter.

I know we have to disagree about everything, but this doesn't call for confidence.

Apologies for the long response.

Peers rated Hobbs quite high. Just quoting some players doesn't prove anything. His FC stats aren't out of the world impressive.

 

[subshakerz]

If Averaging 12 and 8 against Pollock and Donald over 11 tests isn't struggling against specific bowlers, then we have had enough of a discussion.

Those output numbers don't seem right because others have shared other higher numbers.

I watched Sachin in the 96, 97, and 2000s series against SA. He wasn't consistently struggling at any point in those series to Donald or Pollock. He did get out occasionally but he wasn't figured out.

 

[sayon basak]

Sachin struggled with Hansie Cronje lol

But but......era......garbage pitch......garbage bowler..... unprofessional.......blah blah blah.

 

[sayon basak]

Those output numbers don't seem right because others have shared other higher numbers.

What do you mean?

 

[kyear2]

He doesn't need to. He could be averaging 60 plus and make it in comfortably.

That's where I have him as well.

 

[DrWolverine]

I don't get what people are demanding from Hobbs. Isn't adapting to the skill set of your own time exactly the point?

Nobody is demanding or even demeaning Hobbs. Hobbs was the best batsman of his era and I agree with it.

Cricket in 1900s was its infancy and barely played by 2 nations. So I am not sure how competitive the sport was at that time.

 

[Johan]

Nobody is demanding or even demeaning Hobbs. Hobbs was the best batsman of his era and I agree with it.

Cricket in 1900s was its infancy and barely played by 2 nations. So I am not sure how competitive the sport was at that time.

number of nations do not dictate how competitive or quality a sport is.

 

[subshakerz]

What do you mean?

Like based on Sachins average vs Donald he scored just 60 runs against him in 11 tests? Seems off.