Help me figure out who the No. 5 in my AT XI should be (Richards vs Others)

[sayon basak]

No.

Ok then. I've figured out what my squad should be (which I'm pretty sure you haven't read, cause you don't).

So, I don't really aspire to hear any bullshit from anyone.

Thanks.

 

[Coronis]

Gilly at 6 & Imran at 7 then.

I want 4 pacers and one spinner.
Marshall. McGrath. Hadlee. Imran. Murali.

Bowlers win Tests and they have the ability to take 20 wickets on any pitch and win the match.

I’m starting to question this.

Didn’t Windies have better bowling, but Aus had better batting of the two great teams? And which team won more

 

[kyear2]

I’m starting to question this.

Didn’t Windies have better bowling, but Aus had better batting of the two great teams? And which team won more

And even when Australia had better batting, they still declined to have Gilly batting at 6.

It doesn't make any sense and you're putting yourself at a disadvantage playing a batter short.

 

[capt_Luffy]

And even when Australia had better batting, they still declined to have Gilly batting at 6.

It doesn't make any sense and you're putting yourself at a disadvantage playing a batter short.

Yk that the top sentiment after the 2005 Ashes was Australia needed Flintoff like player, Right???

 

[DrWolverine]

Didn’t Windies have better bowling, but Aus had better batting of the two great teams? And which team won more

In general cricket had more results than draws in 2000s compared to 1980s.

WI won less. Yes. But they also lost less.

Westindies lost 8 out of 82 Tests in 1980s.
Between 1999-2008, Aus lost 18 out of 116 Tests.
Between 2000-2007, Aus lost 10 out of 88 Tests.

 

[DrWolverine]

Westindies did not lose a single series between 1981-1994.

Australia lost a few series even at their peak.
1999 : 1-0 to SriLanka
2001 : 2-1 to India
2005 : 2-1 to England
20008 : 2-0 to India
2008 : 2-1 to SouthAfrica
2009 : 2-1 to England

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Westindies did not lose a single series between 1981-1994.

Australia lost a few series even at their peak.
1999 : 1-0 to SriLanka
2001 : 2-1 to India
2005 : 2-1 to England
20008 : 2-0 to India
2008 : 2-1 to SouthAfrica
2009 : 2-1 to England

The '08 and '09 series were after that Oz side's peak.

 

[DrWolverine]

The '08 and '09 series were after that Oz side's peak.

Agreed

 

[DrWolverine]

I generally think Australia’s peak started in 1999 and ended with 5-0 Ashes win in 2007 with the retirements of McGrath, Warne and co.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would say Australia only lost 2 Series in their peak, and my God; are they Special!!!

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I generally think Australia’s peak started in 1999 and ended with 5-0 Ashes win in 2007 with the retirements of McGrath, Warne and co.

Yeah the McWarne retirements mark a natural end to that era. Start point is harder since Oz were strong for most of the 90s, could go as far back as the 94/95 win in the WIndies for the start of their dominance. But I guess that was quite a different lineup to the one which dominated in the early naughties.

 

[kyear2]

Yk that the top sentiment after the 2005 Ashes was Australia needed Flintoff like player, Right???

Going purely from memory, but it was more like needing a viable 5th option.from.among the batters to replace what they lost with Sr, not to play 5 outright bowlers to weaken said batting. And they batted Gilly a grand total of 11 times at 6.

 

[kyear2]

The '08 and '09 series were after that Oz side's peak.

Yeah.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Going purely from memory, but it was more like needing a viable 5th option.from.among the batters to replace what they lost with Sr, not to play 5 outright bowlers to weaken said batting. And they batted Gilly a grand total of 11 times at 6.

Yeah, because they precisely had no serviceable all-rounders really.

 

[Johan]

I would say Australia only lost 2 Series in their peak, and my God; are they Special!!!

2005 Ashes>2001 BGT

 

[Coronis]

Anyway on the thread topic, a lot of the differences in average at specific positions are due to players swapping positions when they weren’t actually in their primes. Generally speaking, I don’t think there’s that much difference between batting 3-5. There is some of course, the #3 batsman in particular needs to be fairly adept at navigating the new ball, but players who are playing in these positions should presumably be successful in any of them. Usually you will see different portions of players careers where they changed positions for the most part. (There is the rare player such as Trumpet? I believe, who just kept swapping positions all the time)

I think 6 is slightly more of a unique position to the others but it wouldn’t be crazy to have someone who predominately batted 3-5 batting at 6. Not ideal perhaps, but not crazy. Of course for a first ATG side we’re lucky to have Sobers.

 

[capt_Luffy]

2005 Ashes>2001 BGT

2001 Kolkata>>2005 Edgbaston

 

[kyear2]

Anyway on the thread topic, a lot of the differences in average at specific positions are due to players swapping positions when they weren’t actually in their primes. Generally speaking, I don’t think there’s that much difference between batting 3-5. There is some of course, the #3 batsman in particular needs to be fairly adept at navigating the new ball, but players who are playing in these positions should presumably be successful in any of them. Usually you will see different portions of players careers where they changed positions for the most part. (There is the rare player such as Trumpet? I believe, who just kept swapping positions all the time)

I think 6 is slightly more of a unique position to the others but it wouldn’t be crazy to have someone who predominately batted 3-5 batting at 6. Not ideal perhaps, but not crazy. Of course for a first ATG side we’re lucky to have Sobers.

Exactly.

Three through 5 is very swappable. 3 does need to be able to see off the new ball and be capable of adjusting to the needs of the team as required, including being more assertive. Anyone who can do that can bat anywhere without difficulty.

 

[sayon basak]

Enough of batting positions, here's the dream eleven of Waqar Younis.

Bradman as an opener.
He might be one of Pakpassion posters. Who knows?

 

[kyear2]

Enough of batting positions, here's the dream eleven of Waqar Younis.

Bradman as an opener.
He might be one of Pakpassion posters. Who knows?

Well we both have one position we're unsure about in our XIs.

Viv, unless Smith really makes a serious push at the end, and even then it's subjective, is a pretty safe selection.

8 players made both the Wisden and Cricinfo squads... Hobbs, Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Wasim, Marshall & Warne.

Kinda feel if the guy on the edge falls into that list, it affirms it a bit?