Rank him : Joel Garner

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Bumrah will soon be joining that last illustrious list:

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Here are Garner's stats as a support bowler (#3-5):



Here are Garner's stats as an opening bowler (#1-2):



You can see that as an opening bowler, he became much more attacking with his Econ going up from 2.34 to 2.64 runs/over and his SR going down by nearly 10 balls/wicket from 55.5 to 45.9!

Note that Garner played 33 Tests as a support bowler and 26 Tests as an opening bowler, and 33 + 26 = 59 > Garner's total number of Tests of 58 by 1. Therefore, he played one Test as both a support bowler (in one innings) and as an opening bowler (in the other innings). This, in fact, happened in Garner's very last Test (the third Test against NZ in Christchurch in 1987) where Garner opened the bowling in his first innings but bowled first-change in his second innings:


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Garner played his first 32 Tests exclusively as a support bowler, his next 25 Tests exclusively as an opening bowler, and his last Test as both.

As an opening bowler, Garner naturally took a higher percentage (by about 5-6%) of the top order wickets than as a support bowler:

As a support bowler:



#1-6 batsmen: 53.8%

#1-7 batsmen: 63.6%

As an opening bowler:



#1-6 batsmen: 59.1%

#1-7 batsmen: 69.3%

 

[Coronis]

Page 2 and we’re still discussing the player in the title. I like it

 

[sayon basak]

Page 2 and we’re still discussing the player in the title. I like it

Joel Garner was a better batter than Barry Richards.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Joel Garner was a better batter than Barry Richards.

And better than Imran as well

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Personally, I would rank Garner somewhere between #4 and #9 (depending upon his footwear):

from https://www.topendsports.com/sport/cricket/anthropometry-tallest.htm:



Given that it's the festive season, as a tribute, we could be calling him Noel Garner! (there's actually a painter out there by this name!)

 

[the big bambino]

Below several spinners.

 

[ataraxia]

Personally, I would rank Garner somewhere between #4 and #9 (depending upon his footwear):

from https://www.topendsports.com/sport/cricket/anthropometry-tallest.htm:

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Given that it's the festive season, as a tribute, we could be calling him Noel Garner! (there's actually a painter out there by this name!)

@thierry henry

 

[sayon basak]

Below several spinners.

If I may ask, who are the spinners that you'd rate above Garner?

 

[the big bambino]

If I may ask, who are the spinners that you'd rate above Garner?

I'm being a little facetious. Garner was a great bowler but I don't think there's much point comparing him to spinners which was a rabbit hole a previous thread went down.

 

[Coronis]

I'm being a little facetious. Garner was a great bowler but I don't think there's much point comparing him to spinners which was a rabbit hole a previous thread went down.

We should compare him to batsmen instead imo.

 

[sayon basak]

We should compare him to batsmen instead imo.

Top 7 greatest batsmen IMO:-
1. Garner (for his batting)
2. Christopher Roger Woakes
3. Anirudhsinh Jadeja
4. Rubel Hossain (just look at the average)

5. Warner (@capt_Luffy's keyboard loves him)
6. Babar Azam (Great records away from home)
7. Bradman (overrated imo)

 

[DrWolverine]

Top 7 greatest batsmen IMO:-
1. Garner (for his batting)
2. Christopher Roger Woakes
3. Anirudhsinh Jadeja
4. Rubel Hossain (just look at the average)

5. Warner (@capt_Luffy's keyboard loves him)
6. Babar Azam (Great records away from home)
7. Bradman (overrated imo)

Where is Chris Martin man?

 

[Coronis]

Where is Chris Martin man?

New Zealand, if I had to guess.

 

[sayon basak]

New Zealand, if I had to guess.

That's a really good guess.