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Jasprit Bumrah vs Bill O’Reilly

Who is the better test bowler?

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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Coronis said:
Nah makes no sense to me. If we can take players from any time in this situation why can’t I take a matting wicket from South Africa or a deadly Australian sticky? Why can’t I bring back some bats where the sweet spot isn’t giant? Why can’t I bring back the back foot law?
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Because it was objectively worse?

Give everyone helmets and giant bats. But make the pitches sporting.
 
the big bambino

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
shortpitched713 said:
I also understand that people don't like it when someone changes their stance, as it's more convenient to have a caricature than nuance. However, I want to change my opinion on Hobbs in particular. Reading into his career, it really was incredibly long and did span acrosseras, with a different group of bowlers all together at the end as compared to the beginning (likely a stronger group, with better approaches). So my current re-evaluation is that indeed Hobbs likely could have a bit more quality to his batting than Shakib al Hasan.

However, this is just a Hobbs specific change in evaluation for me. I still poo poo all over the older time eras batsmen, and believe in general they faced weaker bowling, and thus demonstrated considerably less skill, especially the earlier in time you get before WWII, it was likely a crapshoot.

So we could update to something like Trumper and Hill couldn't tie Watson and Katich's shoelaces when it comes to demonstrated batting skill. I really still believe like this.
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Anyone who believes this after seeing modern batting or even the famed batsman of the 80s struggle with even ordinary leg spin needs their head read.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
sayon basak said:
The number of 5'fers and 10 wickets in a match is not quite flattering for him.
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I mean, he played in the strongest bowling unit ever and didn’t get the new ball for the majority of his career. It makes sense for him to have a low amount of 5’fers.

fwiw when he finally did get the new ball (which he kept til the end of his career)

26 matches 128 @ 20.09 SR 45.6 5 5’fers

Perfectly acceptable rate of 5’fers imo.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Regular
Coronis said:
I mean, he played in the strongest bowling unit ever and didn’t get the new ball for the majority of his career. It makes sense for him to have a low amount of 5’fers.

fwiw when he finally did get the new ball (which he kept til the end of his career)

26 matches 128 @ 20.09 SR 45.6 5 5’fers

Perfectly acceptable rate of 5’fers imo.
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DrWolverine said:
Joel Garner played alongside some of the greatest bowlers of all time and did not get to bowl much with the new ball so that is understandable.
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Fair enough, and that's why I rate him as one of top 11/12 quicks. But Muralitharan, Warne and O'Reilly are just better imo.

So, Garner would still make my list of top 15 bowlers easily.
 
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