Jasprit Bumrah vs Waqar Younis

[capt_Luffy]

And Viv a few lower......

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah definitely.

Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards
Garfield Sobers
Brian Lara
Len Hutton
Sunil Gavaskar
Wally Hammond
Steve Smith
Honourable Mention:- George Headley
(Obviously, putting aside Grace)

This is such a weird thread to be doing top ten batting lists but as long as it's not Warne vs Murali I'm now compelled

Tests only:

Bradman
Tendulkar
Hobbs
Hammond
Sobers
Kallis
Hutton
Lara
Suttcliffe
Gavaskar

 

[sayon basak]

Bradman
Tendulkar
Hobbs
Hammond
Sobers
Kallis

Coronis?

 

[honestbharani]

Bradman
Sobers

Lara
Sachin

Smith
Viv

whoever

 

[Johan]

Bradman
Hobbs
Sachin
Viv
Sobers
Hutton
Smith
Lara
Hammond
Gavaskar (@capt_Luffy)

 

[PlayerComparisons]

This is such a weird thread to be doing top ten batting lists but as long as it's not Warne vs Murali I'm now compelled

Tests only:

Bradman
Tendulkar
Hobbs
Hammond
Sobers
Kallis
Hutton
Lara
Suttcliffe
Gavaskar

Now post your 11-20 (if you have one)

 

[Prince EWS]

Coronis?

We do share a lot of opinions that noone else seems to, lol.

My avatar here for about two years was literally a photo of Kallis executing a perfect forward defence.

 

[ma1978]

Waqar had the pace tho. Plus a better Yorker as well. Better runup, better action, better stats.

certainly not better stats

really not better anything as reflected in the stats

 

[smash84]

yeah, the only thing Waqar really has over Bumrah right now is a larger body of work. Pace and swing are meaningless if they don't translate into some sort of tangible result like economy, wickets, etc.

 

[Prince EWS]

yeah, the only thing Waqar really has over Bumrah right now is a larger body of work. Pace and swing are meaningless if they don't translate into some sort of tangible result like economy, wickets, etc.

If Bumrah retired tomorrow and I was offered as a captain of a random side for the next generation what Waqar was gonna offer vs Bumrah being a tiny bit of a late bloomer, having an awesome but injury-plagued peak and then retiring early I'd still take Waqar, and that's how I kind of analyse these things. But Bumrah is very fast closing the gap. I'd be really surprised if I didn't rate him in the top tier when he retired now.

Go too far one way and Walsh and Anderson are the greatest bowlers of all time. Go too far the other way and we're literally just talking about the best ball Ashley Giles ever bowled as one of the great peaks of skill.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bradman
Grace
Hobbs
Tendulkar
Sobers
Lara
Steve Smith
Hutton
Viv
Gavaskar
Hammond
Headley
Sutcliffe
Border
Pollock
Kallis
Steve Waugh
Greg Chappell
Sangakkara
Ponting
Dravid
Ranji
Trumper
Root
Barrington
Weekes
Barry
Nourse
Miandad
Walcott
ABD
Kohli
Compton
Younis
Harvey
Williamson
Hill
Kanhai
May
Boycott
Flower
Worrell
Crowe
Shrewsbury
MaCartney
Lloyd
Greenidge
Amla
Chanderpaul
Graeme Smith
Hayden
Mitchell
Simpson
Sehwag
Cook
Inzamam
Gilchrist
Cowdrey
McCabe
Pietersen
Laxman
Clarke
Jayawardene
Gooch
Gower
Lawry
Herbie
Yousuf
Morris
Ponsford
Walters
Merchant
Hanif
Hazare
Dexter
Hussey
Hunte
Hassett
De Silva
Kirsten
Thorpe
Hendren
Maclaren
Richardson
Ian Chappell
Pujara
Boon
Jackson
Anwar
Turner
Fry
Kallicharran
Ross
Amarnath
Mark Waugh
Fredericks
Abbas
O'Neill
Martyn
Viswanath
Vengsarkar
Woodfull
Stewart
Malik
Amiss
Langer
Leyland
Graveney
Cullinan
Azharuddin
Khawaja
Mark Taylor
Mathews
Haynes
Faulkner
Labuschagne
Bardsley
Gayle
Misbah
Barnes
Ryder
Nurse
Slater
Edrich
Trott
Warner
Trescothick
Dean Jones
Murdoch
Mead
Paynter
Jimmy Cook
Donnelly
Robin Smith
Noble
Redpath
Katich
Woolley
Collins
Hayward
Duleep
Atherton
Steele
McGlew
Bell
Samaraweera
Fleming
Andrew Jones

 

[Johan]

Waugh and Border confuse me the most honestly.

 

[Prince EWS]

Now post your 11-20 (if you have one)

I think after ten you do get me subconsciously factoring in stuff outside Tests. I mark Chappell and Viv up, Barrington down, give Headley a mild longevity pass etc.

And that's even when I'm telling myself not to, lol.

But I'll have a crack anyway because there's nothing better at do at 4:24am at the Pyrmont Bridge Hotel after my mates have left. Subject to change.

11. Chappell
12. Headley
13. Sanga
14. Border
15. Nourse
16. Mitchell
17. Richards
18. Dravid
19. Compton
20. Miandad

I like Barrington, Harvey, May, Waugh and Ponting in this range too. Haven't considered people still playing yet.

 

[Coronis]

Highest average after turning 25(5000+ runs)
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I think you’ve messed up somewhere with this since Barrington was playing in 1959 at the age of 28. This lists it as starting in 1960.

Barrington had a late start to his career. He played 2 Tests in 1955 and then played his next match in 1959 when he was 29 years old. I would say if he did not miss his prime years, he would have had an ever better record and remembered more fondly.

Pretty sure he was more of a stroke player originally (don’t know if that ends up translating to actually more aggressive or just prettier to watch, like say Compton). iirc after being dropped he went back and reworked his technique to eliminate danger and maximise scoring, which whilst clearly successful, didn’t gain many fans. He wasn’t that great in the intervening period (56-58) in FC. He had an excellent season in 1959 which was what lead to him being picked once more.

 

[DrWolverine]

I think you’ve messed up somewhere with this since Barrington was playing in 1959 at the age of 28. This lists it as starting in 1960.

My bad. It was most runs after 29 years.

 

[DrWolverine]

He wasn’t that great in the intervening period (56-58) in FC.

TBH his entire first class record has been surprisingly poor considering his extraordinary test career.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

My bad. It was most runs after 29 years.
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Now post highest averages after turning 23 with same minimum runs

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

We called this a fetish. Easy there with the ages

 

[DrWolverine]

Now post highest averages after turning 23 with same minimum runs

My point was regarding Ken Barrington being very unlucky - Barely played in his 20s and his career was cut short by him getting a heart attack

 

[kyear2]

I would also say no. People who saw more of Waqar than me may disagree though.

If we're talking about Waqar.

He, along with Bishop were terrifyingly fast. I can't put a number on it, but both would have been up there with Patterson and Malcolm if not faster.

This is just from my memory though.