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Jasprit Bumrah vs Bill O’Reilly

Who is the better test bowler?

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Johan

Johan

International Debutant
DrWolverine said:
Mankad averaged 16 in a 3 test series against England as well. That team had the likes of Hutton, Hammond, Compton.
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26.55, and Mankad just bowled one good spell in an extremely low scoring game.

DrWolverine said:
I do not think a spinner doing well against England is such a big deal.

Ghulam Ahmed took 15 wickets in 4 Tests at an average of 24 against Hutton, Compton, May etc.
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Ghulam averaged even lower against Australia, guess wickets against Australia don't count either now?

also, 30s was far flatter than 50s
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
DrWolverine said:
England have never been good against quality spinners. I do tnot think the majority of wickets against those batsmen is such a big deal. Even our Ghulam Ahmed and Vinod Mankad have great records against the English and I don’t consider both great.

Vinoo Mankad took 54 wickets in 11 Tests against England at an average of 23. He played against Wally Hammond, Len Hutton, Peter May, Dennis Compton etc
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Can't agree here, like at all. Hammond was a goated spin player; and Hendren, Leyland, Sutcliffe, etc none were all better to spinners.
 
Johan

Johan

International Debutant
capt_Luffy said:
Can't agree here, like at all. Hammond was a goated spin player; and Hendren, Leyland, Sutcliffe, etc none were all better to spinners.
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Hammond is GOATed in general, Hammond vs Windies quaret of 80s would be a close contest and he would average 40+.
 
the big bambino

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
don't know if this is meant to be a joke or not. the guy who played spin on uncovered wickets in a rainy nation and performed aren't good against spin...?

Mankad's average against England comes from bullying a England C batting lineup in a home series in 1951, he avwrages 34 in England, not to mention 30s was way flatter than 50s which is the toughest era for batting bar windies.
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It is.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
Hammond is GOATed in general, Hammond vs Windies quaret of 80s would be a close contest and he would average 40+.
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It would certainly be interesting, but I think it's true that Hammond never played many great pacers. Spinners is a baseless argument against him.
 
DrWolverine

DrWolverine

State Vice-Captain
sayon basak said:
Warne and Murali were tested against Quality players of spin but they both struggled against them. That doesn't help their cause very much.
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As great as O Reilly was, he was not tested much. At best he played against 1 or 2 great batsmen. That’s about it. And exactly why I would not rate him ahead of modern day great like Bumrah.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
DrWolverine said:
As great as O Reilly was, he was not tested much. At best he played against 1 or 2 great batsmen. That’s about it. And exactly why I would not rate him ahead of modern day great like Bumrah.
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Hammond, Headley, Sutcliffe. That's 3 top 15 right there.
DrWolverine said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

I still do not think he was tested against great players of spin like Murali or Warne
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Played O'Reilly and Grimmett. Pretty much the best since.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Look, I know most people won't rate O'Reilly as high as I do; but I really don't think he was much behind Warne and Murali. He averaged 16 in Sheffield Shield...... Averaging high 30s was good there, especially for spinners. Even Grum did 30+. That's a statistical anomaly as big as Don's in FC.
 
the big bambino

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
capt_Luffy said:
Look, I know most people won't rate O'Reilly as high as I do; but I really don't think he was much behind Warne and Murali. He averaged 16 in Sheffield Shield...... Averaging high 30s was good there, especially for spinners. Even Grum did 30+. That's a statistical anomaly as big as Don's in FC.
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He was better then both. O'Reilly didn't miss against anyone or anywhere. The only 2 opponents he didn't play where India and the WI. If he played against them and more often against NZ his ave would've been less than 20.
 
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