Rank him : Joel Garner

[DrWolverine]

Top 5 or 10 or 15 fast bowler?

vs Eng : Avg of 17.9 in 19 Tests
vs NZ : Avg of 20.6 in 9 Tests
vs Aus : Avg of 20.9 in 18 Tests
vs Pak : Avg of 25.1 in 8 Tests
vs Ind : Avg of 43 in 4 Tests

In Eng : Avg of 16.5 in 10 Tests
In NZ : Avg of 16.9 in 5 Tests
In Pak : Avg of 19.2 in 3 Tests
In WI : Avg of 22.3 in 29 Tests
In Aus : Avg of 25.3 in 11 Tests

Statistically speaking he is among the very best and has a more complete record than other legends but he played as a support bowler in majority of his matches.

 

[Betterpolo]

So his 4 Tests vs India were at home? Curious.

I've seen him referenced in recent times as an extremely fast bowler but my memory is that he was a long way from the quickest of that Windies generation. It was more about the bounce and the yorker wasn't it?

My clearest memory is of him providing a mercy killing to the England and middle and lower order in the WC Final and finishing off the job started by Boycott and Brearley.

 

[sayon basak]

Garner for his batting.

 

[sayon basak]

Top 10:-
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Sydney Barnes
Curtly Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Wasim Akram
Dennis Lillee
Imran Khan
Allan Donald
Fred Trueman (in case Barnes wasn't a pacer)

So yeah, top 15 for me.

 

[capt_Luffy]

11th counting Barnes, 10th without.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Top 10:-
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Sydney Barnes
Curtly Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Wasim Akram
Dennis Lillee
Imran Khan
Allan Donald
Fred Trueman (in case Barnes wasn't a pacer)

So yeah, top 15 for me.

You rate Trueman higher than Even @Johan !!!?????

 

[sayon basak]

You rate Trueman higher than Even @Johan !!!?????

Oh sh*t I got caught.

 

[Johan]

Top 10:-
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Sydney Barnes
Curtly Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Wasim Akram
Dennis Lillee
Imran Khan
Allan Donald
Fred Trueman (in case Barnes wasn't a pacer)

So yeah, top 15 for me.

assuming not in order (because wtf is Wasim above Imran), Based.

 

[capt_Luffy]

assuming not in order (because wtf is Wasim above Imran), Based.

Is Wasim>Imran as bowlers really wild???

 

[sayon basak]

assuming not in order (because wtf is Wasim above Imran), Based.

Actually started writing in order but then didn't care anymore.

 

[sayon basak]

Is Wasim>Imran as bowlers really wild???

Don't think so. I have them around equals.

 

[Johan]

Is Wasim>Imran as bowlers really wild???

a little? Wasim's numbers against the big 4 is kinda questionable, I don't find his bowling as impressive bar his WI record tho tbh by early 90s WI batting was current Australia level washed.

 

[capt_Luffy]

a little? Wasim's numbers against the big 4 is kinda questionable, I don't find his bowling as impressive bar his WI record tho tbh by early 90s WI batting was current Australia level washed.

Eh, I think his numbers against the big 4 is really strong. He suffers from his career post diabetes.

 

[Johan]

Eh, I think his numbers against the big 4 is really strong. He suffers from his career post diabetes.

Better.

 

[sayon basak]

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Better.

It's still close between them.

 

[Coronis]

If excluding Barnes, he’s fighting for 9/10 with Lindwall and Davidson for me.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

He was basically Ambrose but with 150 less wickets

 

[Prince EWS]

Garner is a top ten quick for his batting.

 

[Coronis]

Garner is a top ten quick for his batting.

Close tbf

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[Swamp Witch Hattie]

This was inspired by @Coronis' post above (I worked off his template): I've managed to sneak Garner's batting into the top 10 based on strike rate (at #9, or #8 if one excludes Murali):



I've even got Garner up as high as #7 (#6 excluding Murali) but tragically, it's to do with ducks made: