Fred Trueman vs Ken Barrington

[Betterpolo]

I think Greig's brief Test career painted his batting in a much better light than it would have been if he had a longer career.

He was more of a Botham-like batsman where he played most of his cricket, but in Tests he seemed something above that.

I do find Greig a fascinating character and good cricketer but he was one of those who looked a bit exposed by WSC. Small sample sizes I know but a brutal cricketing environment.

 

[Red]

don't tag Red again pls

I don’t even know who you are

 

[Red]

What has @Red done to you?? He is a pretty chill guy, probably underrates Steve Smith a bit much

I don’t underrate him, he’s outstanding. Just don’t think he’s objectively better than Ponting, Border, Chappell, Harvey

 

[sayon basak]

I don’t even know who you are

He meant Red_Ink_Squid.

 

[Coronis]

Just don’t think he’s objectively better than Ponting, Border, Chappell, Harvey

So yes, you underrate him

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Fred ofc. Fred would have blasted the batting lineup in India and Pakistan. Not playing there for his time should not really be an issue.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Exactly! Like Statham did in Ind..... Oh, wait

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Exactly! Like Statham did in Ind..... Oh, wait

Ok. You think that is really an issue for Fred tho? I know Statham failed but everyone else put incredible numbers against them. Davidson, Benaud etc. Fred not playing in Asia, imho isn’t an issue at all for his time. I would think.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ok. You think that is really an issue for Fred tho? I know Statham failed but everyone else put incredible numbers against them. Davidson, Benaud etc. Fred not playing in Asia, imho isn’t an issue at all for his time. I would think.

Benaud was a spinner and Davidson really is the only top class pacer I can think from that generation to do great in India. Freddie's issue has more to do with his overall away numbers; just aren't significant enough overall. Kinda good in both Australia and WI, but pretty much that sums it up.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Benaud was a spinner and Davidson really is the only top class pacer I can think from that generation to do great in India. Freddie's issue has more to do with his overall away numbers; just aren't significant enough overall. Kinda good in both Australia and WI, but pretty much that sums it up.

Hall put up incredible numbers in India and Pakistan too.

 

[Coronis]

Ok. You think that is really an issue for Fred tho? I know Statham failed but everyone else put incredible numbers against them. Davidson, Benaud etc. Fred not playing in Asia, imho isn’t an issue at all for his time. I would think.

I mean, you can’t predict whether a bowler will do well in a specific country like that. Even top players (both batsmen and bowlers) can have quite poor records against teams/in countries where you would expect them to succeed.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I mean, you can’t predict whether a bowler will do well in a specific country like that. Even top players (both batsmen and bowlers) can have quite poor records against teams/in countries where you would expect them to succeed.

Something something Garry Sobers in New Zealand

 

[Coronis]

Something something Garry Sobers in New Zealand

In and against

 

[wpdavid]

I do find Greig a fascinating character and good cricketer but he was one of those who looked a bit exposed by WSC. Small sample sizes I know but a brutal cricketing environment.

I get the impression he'd taken his eye off the ball by then, and commercial intersts had, to some extent, taken their toll. He wasn't great in the Ashes series that immediately preceded WSC either. Obviously he was facing some absolutely stellar attacks in WSC, but he had previously played some fine innings against great bowlers.

 

[Betterpolo]

I get the impression he'd taken his eye off the ball by then, and commercial intersts had, to some extent, taken their toll. He wasn't great in the Ashes series that immediately preceded WSC either. Obviously he was facing some absolutely stellar attacks in WSC, but he had previously played some fine innings against great bowlers.

Yes, all fair. A ton against Lillie and Thomson in Brisbane and another against Holding, Roberts, Holder and Daniel at Leeds are not to be sniffed at are they? Obviously he loved going to India and old style India wickets really helped his style of spin.