**Official** 3rd Test @Brisbane (Ewwwww), 14th-18th December

[Burgey]

Anyh word on whether Haze will play this test?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Anyh word on whether Haze will play this test?

If I had to pick one: "Depends"

 

[Shady Slim]

If India can't get to 200 consistently then it'll be very difficult to win regardless of what bowlers are picked. They aren't miracle workers, they do need some actual runs to bowl at.

This is just a classic case of the seemingly pandemic-level syndrome of people reacting to obvious, chronic batting failures by wanting to change the bowlers.

agree with the broader point but rana as a below-140's heavyball merchant in australia without the consistency of a haze or a boland doesn't seemingly strike me as someone who can contribute much outside of perth and maaaaaaybe brisbane depending on the pitch - you'd expect that he'll be as close to useless as you can be in sydney and in melbourne

if there is one thing we know doesn't work here it's touring fast mediums who try and hit short of a length outside the off stump

 

[Starfighter]

if there is one thing we know doesn't work here it's touring fast mediums who try and hit short of a length outside the off stump

England gonna make a big test of this theory next summer.

 

[Daemon]

I don't really see the big difference between Australia's batting and India's batting in terms of fragility, it's just that last Test Australia got Harshit to feast on and India ran into Starc and Boland.

Yeah there isn’t much difference really. Sample size is too small but for example nobody is averaging more than 20s for Australia besides Head.

But that also means runs are at a premium.

 

[Xix2565]

If I had to pick one: "Depends"

Should've said "Hazlewood".

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

That Aus lower order has already proved difficult to dislodge while we have the usual fller from 9-11. We need the extra padding. We also need five "real" bowlers and sadly it's only the spinners who happen to be decent bats. NKR will have to sit out for no fault of his but that's Indian cricket for you: balance over talent.

 

[Spark]

That Aus lower order has already proved difficult to dislodge while we have the usual fller from 9-11. We need the extra padding. We also need five "real" bowlers and sadly it's only the spinners who happen to be decent bats. NKR will have to sit out for no fault of his but that's Indian cricket for you: balance over talent.

I mean a lot of it, on both sides, is simply that cricket in Australia still hinges on the new ball; if anything the changes to the ball and pitches in recent years have made that more extreme because now it's no longer "a little bit of movement" to "no movement" once the ball gets old, it's "outright spiteful" to "tricky but manageable". The main reason NKR is top scoring from 8 is that... he's batting 8, and thus not facing fresh bowlers with a 10 over old rock.

EDIT: Batted 7 in Adelaide obvs. Point still stands.

 

[Shady Slim]

England gonna make a big test of this theory next summer.

england and every other non-india touring team always fall for the meme, that because it's AUSTRALIA and the wickets are FAST and BOUNCY you have to bowl short of a length especially at perth or the gabba, and they always get absolutely clattered because if you're a sri lankan fast medium trundler and you're bowling to batsmen born and raised on australian pitches, of course they're going to rinse you. the speed and bounciness means you should be targeting the stumps and letting the speed and bounciness cause havoc for the bats naturally - australian bowlers get this and so do touring pacers who have been successful - whereas if you're sending them down at 132 already short of a length, everything that you bowl can be left on length and the bad balls get put away because you're never challenging the stumps tbh

 

[honestbharani]

agree with the broader point but rana as a below-140's heavyball merchant in australia without the consistency of a haze or a boland doesn't seemingly strike me as someone who can contribute much outside of perth and maaaaaaybe brisbane depending on the pitch - you'd expect that he'll be as close to useless as you can be in sydney and in melbourne

if there is one thing we know doesn't work here it's touring fast mediums who try and hit short of a length outside the off stump

Rana bowled pretty consistently at 140+. And I think he has far more skills than just hit the deck stuff. Problem is, he has not played enough FC cricket to fine tune these skills. He really should not have played Adelaide and should have been brought in for Gabba but we are gonna do the opposite.

 

[honestbharani]

Anyways going by recent trends, Haze in for Boland does objectively make Australia stronger which means they are gonna lose this one.

 

[Starfighter]

england and every other non-india touring team always fall for the meme, that because it's AUSTRALIA and the wickets are FAST and BOUNCY you have to bowl short of a length especially at perth or the gabba, and they always get absolutely clattered because if you're a sri lankan fast medium trundler and you're bowling to batsmen born and raised on australian pitches, of course they're going to rinse you. the speed and bounciness means you should be targeting the stumps and letting the speed and bounciness cause havoc for the bats naturally - australian bowlers get this and so do touring pacers who have been successful - whereas if you're sending them down at 132 already short of a length, everything that you bowl can be left on length and the bad balls get put away because you're never challenging the stumps tbh

I think their bowlers are perhaps a bit better equipped then last time. Carse is the most interesting, I don't think much of him but he's taking plenty at the moment. Have to wait and see if it's sustained. I mean, the tall bowlers thing didn't work in 13/14.

 

[Shady Slim]

I think their bowlers are perhaps a bit better equipped then last time. Carse is the most interesting, I don't think much of him but he's taking plenty at the moment. Have to wait and see if it's sustained. I mean, the tall bowlers thing didn't work in 13/14.

last time they brought james anderson and stuart broad, who arguably are their best bowling combination in history and who have bowled here on so many occasions, and, crucially, both of whom are reputed as intelligent bowlers, and they both still fell for the meme

i have no confidence that someone named brydon can do better

 

[Line and Length]

Anyh word on whether Haze will play this test?

Perhaps it depends on how Haze's positive comments re Siraj are viewed.

 

[Prince EWS]

last time they brought james anderson and stuart broad, who arguably are their best bowling combination in history and who have bowled here on so many occasions, and, crucially, both of whom are reputed as intelligent bowlers, and they both still fell for the meme

i have no confidence that someone named brydon can do better

Carse is arse.

 

[Molehill]

last time they brought james anderson and stuart broad, who arguably are their best bowling combination in history and who have bowled here on so many occasions, and, crucially, both of whom are reputed as intelligent bowlers, and they both still fell for the meme

i have no confidence that someone named brydon can do better

Which is probably why they've targetted a different style of bowler for the next Ashes.

 

[Chin Music]

Which is probably why they've targetted a different style of bowler for the next Ashes.

England has also been better at targeting off in the current series v NZ. I also think that the potential pace battery is a good yard quicker than those two were in the 2017/18 series, which was a bit of a nadir in terms of sending an utterly ill equipped attack to have a go in Australia. Whether these blokes will be successful is another matter, but can't help think that barring injuries they will be better suited to having a go against a batting lineup not in the same space as that time.

 

[Qlder]

Obviously too much time between Tests if people are talking about England

 

[Daemon]

I mean a lot of it, on both sides, is simply that cricket in Australia still hinges on the new ball; if anything the changes to the ball and pitches in recent years have made that more extreme because now it's no longer "a little bit of movement" to "no movement" once the ball gets old, it's "outright spiteful" to "tricky but manageable". The main reason NKR is top scoring from 8 is that... he's batting 8, and thus not facing fresh bowlers with a 10 over old rock.

EDIT: Batted 7 in Adelaide obvs. Point still stands.

So what you’re saying is we need to reverse the batting order

 

[Qlder]

So Bumrah, Hazlewood and Marsh supposedly fit to bowl. Just leaves question over if Rana and Ashwin are good enough to bowl at the Gabba

Lol that so called ATG's Ashwin and Jadeja can't get a spot in a weak Indian team