Kallis vs Warne

[kyear2]

There is only one person who could do all of those combined better than Kallis.

Hammond is rated higher as a batter and catcher, and not that far behind as a bowler. That's a trade off I can accept.

 

[DrWolverine]

Not even close to him as a bowler

Kallis is just as good as Wally as a batsman and did it against more opponents and in more conditions

 

[Johan]

Hammond scored 4 hundreds and 900+ runs in an Ashes down under in Australia, Kallis doesn't have anything to compete with that.

 

[kyear2]

So was Kallis.

45 centuries and a record 23 MoM proves that.

He wasn't particularly the greatest "match winning" batsman, if the objective fell into the range of his strike rate then fine, otherwise, not so much. He was also a little negative at times with the ball.

Warne was an all out match winner in comparison.

 

[kyear2]

Not even close to him as a bowler

Kallis is just as good as Wally as a batsman and did it against more opponents and in more conditions

Both batted in flat ass eras, Hammond did face at least O'Reilly and Grimmett.

 

[subshakerz]

Two spinner in history are comparable to Warne.

I can name 14 middle order batsmen better than Kallis, four of them could catch as well (and an additional 3 not far below), and three of those could bowl as necessary.

Modern day all conditions spinners? Two.

I could swap out Kallis however, for Sobers, Hammond, Chappell, even Simpson if in a bind.

I would say Root? But he's a very poor man's version of Kallis. Not nearly as good at the wicket, in the cordon or at the popping crease, but can do a job.

But yeah, Warne was a match winner.

You're right, Kallis is overrated.

 

[subshakerz]

Kallis the bat lacked the ability to be dominant for most of his career both in terms of picking up his scoring rate or at least converting to big daddy tons, in an era where both were common.

 

[kyear2]

You're right, Kallis is overrated.

Now where did I say that?

He's the 3rd best all rounder ever, and in my opinion not that far behind no. 2

And that doesn't even factor in his 200 catches.

 

[kyear2]

Kallis the bat lacked the ability to be dominant for most of his career both in terms of picking up his scoring rate or at least converting to big daddy tons, in an era where both were common.

No one's arguing that, but the production was there.

But even in relation to those two aspects, he was closer to Sachin that either were to Lara.

 

[DrWolverine]

Both batted in flat ass eras, Hammond did face at least O'Reilly and Grimmett.

Kallis faced Warne, Murali and Kumble(in India).

 

[Johan]

before the second world war killed his career Hammond was a 61 averaging bat with 22 hundreds and a 75 average in Australia with 7 tons in 27 innings, respectfully, this isn't close.

 

[subshakerz]

No one's arguing that, but the production was there.

But even in relation to those two aspects, he was closer to Sachin that either were to Lara.

Sachin didn't have a big daddy ton problem and Sachin had a mixed aggression approach and could accelerate unlike Kallis.

 

[subshakerz]

Now where did I say that?

He's the 3rd best all rounder ever, and in my opinion not that far behind no. 2

And that doesn't even factor in his 200 catches.

Dravid has 210 catches, never hear you bring that up when we discuss him.

 

[kyear2]

Dravid has 210 catches, never hear you bring that up when we discuss him.

Root has a lot as well, that doesn't dictate quality.

Kallis was a tier above Dravid in the slips imo.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Sachin didn't have a big daddy ton problem and Sachin had a mixed aggression approach and could accelerate unlike Kallis.

Sachin had daddy ton problem in first half of his career so much that he did not score his first double hunderd till tenth year since his debut ie1999.kapil once said since he didn't play many first class games before debut he couldn't master art of double tons it was from england tour in 2002 he started making big hundreds

 

[govinda indian fan]

Root has a lot as well, that doesn't dictate quality.

Kallis was a tier above Dravid in the slips imo.

Dravid never had gun fast bowling attack to back him up in slips like kallis. If he had bumarh shami and siraj playing with him then dravid too would have been atg slipper

 

[kyear2]

Dravid never had gun fast bowling attack to back him up in slips like kallis. If he had bumarh shami and siraj playing with him then dravid too would have been atg slipper

The bowlers don't make you great. I'm not looking at quantity, it's certain types of catches I look for. I also rate 2nd slip guys higher than 1st,.so they get a boost.

Dravid was obviously more tested vs spin, but wasn't quite in the same class to pace.

 

[Coronis]

Fun. Went from Kallis vs Warne to rehashing old arguments ad nauseum extremely fast.

 

[subshakerz]

Root has a lot as well, that doesn't dictate quality.

Great so don't bring up number of catches.

 

[kyear2]

Great so don't bring up number of catches.

His was quality though, so yes, I bring it up.

What's your point?