thundaboult
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A guy like fisher or foulkes is likely only getting a chance once probably henry goes. Nearly 33 yo. Sears or jamo will slot in for tim s.
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**Official** England in New Zealand 28 Nov-18 Dec 2024 - 3 Tests
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I'll believe that when I see it. Jamieson has a never-ending list of injuries, and O'Rourke will probably end up being the same. It's the NZ way.
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thundaboult
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Definitely needs to bowl a bit quicker to be a threat on most surfaces at intl level. He's mostly high 127-135. But has the tools and time on his side. He will get there.
thundaboult
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lol, cmmon be optimistic
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Closer to someone else with those same initials.
Immenso
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I think his point is the option to make 'a real difference ' to this bowling attack are many. Southee so many notches down the list.
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Yeah, two stress fractures to his back. I honestly doubt he'll play another test, but would love to be wrong.
hendrix
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O'Rourke's action and I guess consistency just feels like he might be more robust than Jamieson.
That last test he was still bowling 145 + after 20 overs and it didn't feel like he was pushing it.
I haven't seen that from Jamieson.
Bahnz
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But they're still a notch up from Southee
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I mute or flick over to Talksports commentary whenever Sumo is on. Can't deal with his wetness.
hendrix
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Man, does anyone know about what exactly the clinical significance of spinal stress fractures is when it comes to fast bowlers?
Like, the amount of times I would even care about an undisplaced back fracture without neurological deficit and even bother with ordering even a plain x-ray in ED is kinda negligible. But these sportsmen get MRIs at the drop of a hate. In normal, every day medicine we would call that over-investigation which is actually straight up dangerous for a regular person.
I wonder to what level it applies to sports people as well?
E.g. I don't know if Shane Bond gets his back fused if he sees an orthopaedic surgeon in the public hospital system. For an every day person this is probably the right call. Not sure if it's truly different for a cricket player.
I doubt we will ever see comprehensive evidence, but here is one I recently found. I suspect if Shane Bond was playing today he might never have had surgery. I know that the idea is that these were non-healing fractures (i.e. not the ones in this study). But what is the actual benefit of surgery here? is there a clinically significant upside?
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There's logic in this and I'd love to believe, but gotta consider the NZ curse - we've never had a consistently fit 140km/h test bowler in our history.
hendrix
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by all this I'm saying I have no idea as sports medicine is such a niche field. I just hope that there's a robust level of evidence being applied as there are obvious perverse incentives at play.