Ashwin vs Kumble

[Johan]

Lohmann played in a ridiculously bowler friendly era where the best batter in the world was a 36 averaging bloke.

 

[subshakerz]

Lohmann played in a ridiculously bowler friendly era where the best batter in the world was a 36 averaging bloke.

I know. He also only had a 100 odd wickets. I am saying that it's fine to put a cap on a minimum wicket tally to be an ATG bowler.

 

[kyear2]

Should Lohman be discussed with other ATG bowlers?

I don't rate pre WW1 players. Was a different game. I really only start mid 20's, but really the 30's is when it fully looked like modern cricket and techniques.

 

[kyear2]

I know. He also only had a 100 odd wickets. I am saying that it's fine to put a cap on a minimum wicket tally to be an ATG bowler.

For the gentleman who was the GOAT exiting WW2?

 

[sayon basak]

I know. He also only had a 100 odd wickets. I am saying that it's fine to put a cap on a minimum wicket tally to be an ATG bowler.

If Lohmann would have taken 200 wickets, he wouldn't be rated much higher.

 

[subshakerz]

For the gentleman who was the GOAT exiting WW2?

I rate O Reilly. I am just saying it's fine if folks exclude him on that basis in favor of modern cricket standards.

 

[subshakerz]

If Lohmann would have taken 200 wickets, he wouldn't be rated much higher.

He would if he averaged 10. Then you could try to figure what would be the adjusted average, etc.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't rate pre WW1 players. Was a different game. I really only start mid 20's, but really the 30's is when it fully looked like modern cricket and techniques.

Ok but many feel the same way about the 30s as they feel about the 10s.

 

[kyear2]

I rate O Reilly. I am just saying it's fine if folks exclude him on that basis in favor of modern cricket standards.

How can you apply modern cricket standards to an era where you played practically a decade and only played 27 tests.
A large part of his legacy was first class cricket, which until the advent of the world cups, were the 2nd most important aspect of the game.

 

[kyear2]

He would if he averaged 10. Then you could try to figure what would be the adjusted average, etc.

Or just don't rate pre WWI players with modern players.

 

[Johan]

I know. He also only had a 100 odd wickets. I am saying that it's fine to put a cap on a minimum wicket tally to be an ATG bowler.

I agree, but just think pre war cricket has a lot of factors for why people disregard Lohmann's record, batting wasn't as developed yet and pre Golden Age (or Pre WWI for that matter) England was... quite rough.

 

[Xix2565]

I think 200 wickets is a fine bar to use. Considering how it's used for modern cricketers, no reason it can't be applied to past cricketers who get overrated by a couple of people for reasons beyond logic.

 

[Johan]

200 is a bit too much as it even eliminates the likes of Alan Davidson and Keith Miller, 150 is fine.

 

[Coronis]

Poor Tiger, if it hadn’t been for WWII he’d be featured in a Jarrod Kimber (again who the **** is he?) video. Poor bloke must be rolling in his grave.

 

[subshakerz]

I think 200 wickets is a fine bar to use. Considering how it's used for modern cricketers, no reason it can't be applied to past cricketers who get overrated by a couple of people for reasons beyond logic.

200 for pre WW2, 300 for modern era to be in the ATG category consideration.
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[subshakerz]

Poor Tiger, if it hadn’t been for WWII he’d be featured in a Jarrod Kimber (again who the **** is he?) video. Poor bloke must be rolling in his grave.

I am kinda regretting sharing his videos earlier. I just thought it was connected to that conversation.

 

[Johan]

200 for pre WW2, 300 for modern era to be in the ATG category consideration.
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150 for Pre War, 200 for post war, 250 for Modern (70s onward)

 

[subshakerz]

150 for Pre War, 200 for post war, 250 for Modern (70s onward)

I think for modern it should be 300 but I am fine with the rest.

 

[sayon basak]

Poor Tiger, if it hadn’t been for WWII he’d be featured in a Jarrod Kimber (again who the **** is he?) video. Poor bloke must be rolling in his grave.

He is just someone who rates Ashwin, Kumble and Herath as candidates for being the 3rd greatest spinner.

 

[sayon basak]

I think 200 wickets is a fine bar to use. Considering how it's used for modern cricketers, no reason it can't be applied to past cricketers who get overrated by a couple of people for reasons beyond logic.

There are obviously logical reasons, just maybe beyond someone's understanding.