I mean O'Reilly is considered in Jarrod's deep dive video, not in the Talksports short discussion. Would be nice to try and understand what's being said where and when sometime soon.
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sayon basak
International Debutant
This is what I thought too. Kimber just mentioned him once in the whole video, and then didn't consider him at all for the stats. In fact, he chose Grimmett over O'Reilly for the stats Analysis.
sayon basak
International Debutant
iirc, O'Reilly was only mentioned once in the video, and wasn't included in the analysis.
That's just a difference in evaluation between some of the forum members here and Jarrod. Doesn't mean he wasn't mentioned. Maybe there's an overrating of O'Reilly going on here...
sayon basak
International Debutant
He wasn't even considered in the statistical analysis.
Look at all these lists:-
Five cricketers of the century
The selection of Wisden's Five Cricketers of the Year has always been the perquisite of the Almanack's editor of the day
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John Woodcock's 100 Greatest Cricketers
I don't think John Woodcock's 100 Greatest Cricketers list was reviewed in cricketweb.As this list was made in 1997, there are a lot of ancient players in this list. Some of the picks were a surprise for me, was Alfred Mynn regarded that high at that time? Here's the list:- 100 JR Reid 99 PA...
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CMJ's Top 100 Cricketers of All Time
Interesting read this. No surprises with number 1. Don Bradman's star would shine in any era - Times Online 1 Don Bradman From the late 1920s until his retirement in 1949, the greatest of all specialist batsmen had a wider role as a hero of popular culture and the unwitting symbol and unifier of ...
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Geoff Armstrong- The 100 Greatest Cricketers
Unsure if this book by Armstrong was reviewed on CW ever, but this thread stems from a discussion in the random auction draft about Martin Crowe not being included in Armstrong's list of 100 cricketers. Armstrong selects who he considers to be the 100 greatest, and then places them in 9 teams...
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100 Greatest Cricketers of All Time
100 Greatest Cricketers of All Time: These players played in different eras but were at the top of their game. Check out the lis
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David Gower's Top 50 Cricketers of All Time
1. Don Bradman 2. Garry Sobers 3. Sachin Tendulkar 4. Shane Warne 5. Viv Richards 6. Brian Lara 7. Jack Hobbs 8. Wally Hammond 9. Malcolm Marshall 10. W.G. Grace 11. Imran Khan 12. Ian Botham 13. Sydney Barnes 14. Jacques Kallis 15. Barry Richards 16. Dennis Lillee 17. Len Hutton 18. Wilfred...
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Martin Crowe's Top 50 Greatest Cricketers of Six Generations
Don't think this list was discussed in CW. So here's the list:- 1877-1900: WG Grace 1900-1930: Jack Hobbs, Herbert Sutcliffe, Victor Trumper, Sydney Barnes (4) 1930-1950: Don Bradman, Len Hutton, George Headley, Wally Hammond, Alec Bedser, Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett (7) 1950-1970: Keith...
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In all of this lists, O'Reilly is rated as the 3rd greatest spinner. So, all of them are overrating him; and Jarrod is the only one rating him fairly by fully ignoring him in the analysis?
kyear2
International Coach
I watched both, he basically said he was a below the threshold for wickets taken.
So what's your point?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah even Lindwall has 200 wickets.
kyear2
International Coach
Correct
I mean it's not like they're conducting any analyses there lol. Why is it worth considering?He wasn't even considered in the statistical analysis.
Look at all these lists:-
Five cricketers of the century
The selection of Wisden's Five Cricketers of the Year has always been the perquisite of the Almanack's editor of the dayJohn Woodcock's 100 Greatest Cricketers
I don't think John Woodcock's 100 Greatest Cricketers list was reviewed in cricketweb.As this list was made in 1997, there are a lot of ancient players in this list. Some of the picks were a surprise for me, was Alfred Mynn regarded that high at that time? Here's the list:- 100 JR Reid 99 PA...search.appCMJ's Top 100 Cricketers of All Time
Interesting read this. No surprises with number 1. Don Bradman's star would shine in any era - Times Online 1 Don Bradman From the late 1920s until his retirement in 1949, the greatest of all specialist batsmen had a wider role as a hero of popular culture and the unwitting symbol and unifier of ...search.appGeoff Armstrong- The 100 Greatest Cricketers
Unsure if this book by Armstrong was reviewed on CW ever, but this thread stems from a discussion in the random auction draft about Martin Crowe not being included in Armstrong's list of 100 cricketers. Armstrong selects who he considers to be the 100 greatest, and then places them in 9 teams...search.app100 Greatest Cricketers of All Time
100 Greatest Cricketers of All Time: These players played in different eras but were at the top of their game. Check out the lisDavid Gower's Top 50 Cricketers of All Time
1. Don Bradman 2. Garry Sobers 3. Sachin Tendulkar 4. Shane Warne 5. Viv Richards 6. Brian Lara 7. Jack Hobbs 8. Wally Hammond 9. Malcolm Marshall 10. W.G. Grace 11. Imran Khan 12. Ian Botham 13. Sydney Barnes 14. Jacques Kallis 15. Barry Richards 16. Dennis Lillee 17. Len Hutton 18. Wilfred...search.appMartin Crowe's Top 50 Greatest Cricketers of Six Generations
Don't think this list was discussed in CW. So here's the list:- 1877-1900: WG Grace 1900-1930: Jack Hobbs, Herbert Sutcliffe, Victor Trumper, Sydney Barnes (4) 1930-1950: Don Bradman, Len Hutton, George Headley, Wally Hammond, Alec Bedser, Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett (7) 1950-1970: Keith...search.app
In all of this lists, O'Reilly is rated as the 3rd greatest spinner. So, all of them are overrating him; and Jarrod is the only one rating him fairly by fully ignoring him in the analysis?
That you don't really seem to want to acknowledge that you go through things unless specifically pressed. You'd rather we think you're lazy for some reason.
kyear2
International Coach
Meaning?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Meaning it's a valid ground to disqualify O Reilly. I think maybe a bit too strict tho.
kyear2
International Coach
That Indian list was objectively bad, but that aside, yes he was the 3rd best spinner of all time, some might even argue higher.He wasn't even considered in the statistical analysis.
Look at all these lists:-
Five cricketers of the century
The selection of Wisden's Five Cricketers of the Year has always been the perquisite of the Almanack's editor of the dayJohn Woodcock's 100 Greatest Cricketers
I don't think John Woodcock's 100 Greatest Cricketers list was reviewed in cricketweb.As this list was made in 1997, there are a lot of ancient players in this list. Some of the picks were a surprise for me, was Alfred Mynn regarded that high at that time? Here's the list:- 100 JR Reid 99 PA...search.appCMJ's Top 100 Cricketers of All Time
Interesting read this. No surprises with number 1. Don Bradman's star would shine in any era - Times Online 1 Don Bradman From the late 1920s until his retirement in 1949, the greatest of all specialist batsmen had a wider role as a hero of popular culture and the unwitting symbol and unifier of ...search.appGeoff Armstrong- The 100 Greatest Cricketers
Unsure if this book by Armstrong was reviewed on CW ever, but this thread stems from a discussion in the random auction draft about Martin Crowe not being included in Armstrong's list of 100 cricketers. Armstrong selects who he considers to be the 100 greatest, and then places them in 9 teams...search.app100 Greatest Cricketers of All Time
100 Greatest Cricketers of All Time: These players played in different eras but were at the top of their game. Check out the lisDavid Gower's Top 50 Cricketers of All Time
1. Don Bradman 2. Garry Sobers 3. Sachin Tendulkar 4. Shane Warne 5. Viv Richards 6. Brian Lara 7. Jack Hobbs 8. Wally Hammond 9. Malcolm Marshall 10. W.G. Grace 11. Imran Khan 12. Ian Botham 13. Sydney Barnes 14. Jacques Kallis 15. Barry Richards 16. Dennis Lillee 17. Len Hutton 18. Wilfred...search.appMartin Crowe's Top 50 Greatest Cricketers of Six Generations
Don't think this list was discussed in CW. So here's the list:- 1877-1900: WG Grace 1900-1930: Jack Hobbs, Herbert Sutcliffe, Victor Trumper, Sydney Barnes (4) 1930-1950: Don Bradman, Len Hutton, George Headley, Wally Hammond, Alec Bedser, Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett (7) 1950-1970: Keith...search.app
In all of this lists, O'Reilly is rated as the 3rd greatest spinner. So, all of them are overrating him; and Jarrod is the only one rating him fairly by fully ignoring him in the analysis?
What would be instructive would be to see who was rated 4th.
And alongside O'Reilly on literally all of those lists was a certain South African opener, and quite highly on them as well.
kyear2
International Coach
It's idiotic. He was the best bowler in the world, and greater than Jimmy Anderson would ever be. Hence why spread sheets would never be a good or sole way to rate cricketers.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It's not spreadsheet. It's a minimum career sample of cricket to qualify. It's perfectly valid and I am surprised you are disagreeing.
Dude stop bringing up unrelated cricketers in different threads. We get it, you love Barry.
kyear2
International Coach
If you're the best bowler in the world for 7 years in the flattest of eras, how are you disqualified from anything?
I made an observation and I mentioned it, think that's still allowed.
I made a couple others that I could share if you like.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
By not having 150 wickets
kyear2
International Coach
And that's why it's idiotic.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Should Lohman be discussed with other ATG bowlers?
sayon basak
International Debutant
Feasted on minnows. Still would rate him in the top 35/40.