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Where will Steve Smith end up being ranked?

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Qlder

International Debutant
sayon basak said:
Smith for Ponting if he doesn't face a similar downfall.
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This really grinds my gears. Why are people not able to acknowledge that elite players get old and their eyes and reflexes suffer. ATG players should never be judged on their last years just because they chose to play on when technically past it.

Ricky Ponting, Viv Richards and Ian Botham would be rated 3 of the greatest players ever, except people just seem to look at their final stats after playing years too long destroying their averages
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
Qlder said:
This really grinds my gears. Why are people not able to acknowledge that elite players get old and their eyes and reflexes suffer. ATG players should never be judged on their last years just because they chose to play on when technically past it.

Ricky Ponting, Viv Richards and Ian Botham would be rated 3 of the greatest players ever, except people just seem to look at their final stats after playing years too long destroying their averages
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What if someone produces ATG performances in those last years? Should we completely overlook that? Shouldn't he be rated even higher as he overcame those limitations?
 
Johan

Johan

State Vice-Captain
Qlder said:
This really grinds my gears. Why are people not able to acknowledge that elite players get old and their eyes and reflexes suffer. ATG players should never be judged on their last years just because they chose to play on when technically past it.

Ricky Ponting, Viv Richards and Ian Botham would be rated 3 of the greatest players ever, except people just seem to look at their final stats after playing years too long destroying their averages
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Botham fell off very early tbh
 
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Qlder

International Debutant
Here's an example. People are fanboying over how much of an ATG Bumrah already is.

Bumrah has 41 Tests, 181 wkts @ 20.06, 11 5fers, 0 10fers

Botham at 41 Tests, 202 wkts @ 21.20, 17 5fers and 4 10fers. He also had 1977 runs @ 32.40 with 8 centuries

Note: Botham's 41 Tests to get get 200 wkts was the 2nd fastest ever for a pace bowler after Dennis Lillee (who took 38 tests)

You tell me who should be considered greater?
 
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sayon basak

sayon basak

International Debutant
Qlder said:
Here's an example. People are fanboying over how much of an ATG Bumrah already is.

Bumrah has 41 Tests, 181 wkts @ 20.06, 11 5fers, 0 10fers

Botham at 41 Tests, 202 wkts @ 21.20, 17 5fers and 4 10fers. He also had 1977 runs @ 32.40 with 8 centuries

You tell me who should be considered greater?
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Don't think a lot of people rates Bumrah ahead of Botham as an overall cricketer yet.

But, if Bumrah continues like this, he definitely should be.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
This will be controversial and roundly disparaged.

But I think peak Smith was almost / just below Bradman.

Factoring in the modern game, increased travel and variance of conditions and the modern attacks... the ruthless machine like scoring, what must have been the feeling of inevitability every time he came to the crease, the monster series.

It felt like the maximum that could be achieved.
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Peak Viv was better.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Qlder said:
This really grinds my gears. Why are people not able to acknowledge that elite players get old and their eyes and reflexes suffer. ATG players should never be judged on their last years just because they chose to play on when technically past it.

Ricky Ponting, Viv Richards and Ian Botham would be rated 3 of the greatest players ever, except people just seem to look at their final stats after playing years too long destroying their averages
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Yeah, people forget what Ponting's comparable averages were before his decline.

If I recall correctly he was in the 60's, and absolutely brutal.
 
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Qlder

International Debutant
kyear2 said:
Yeah, people forget what Ponting's comparable averages were before his decline.

If I recall correctly he was in the 60's, and absolutely brutal.
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Ponting only topped 60 average in one innings from memory but definitely Ponting and Viv were thought of as brutal high 50's batting gods for most of their career, nothing like their low 50's averages they ended up with because of age

At 35 it's all down hill for Smith from here. Even now at the same number of innings Smith averages 56.40 whereas Ponting was averaging 58.72
 
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Arachnödouche2.0

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
A career has to be judged wholly and bookends absolutely matter. There's no maturing on the job or a romantic walk into the sunset in international sport; every time you flop your team suffers, regardless of whether you've barely sprouted pubes or have old shriveled prunes for balls. Having said that, Smith slots in nicely between Sachin and Lara; makes me retch a little to say it but the guy did monumental things in his pomp.
 
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govinda indian fan

State Regular
Qlder said:
Here's an example. People are fanboying over how much of an ATG Bumrah already is.

Bumrah has 41 Tests, 181 wkts @ 20.06, 11 5fers, 0 10fers

Botham at 41 Tests, 202 wkts @ 21.20, 17 5fers and 4 10fers. He also had 1977 runs @ 32.40 with 8 centuries

You tell me who should be considered greater?
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Nobody says bumrah is better then botham. Bumarh is fast bowler while sir ian was all rounder cant compere Apple with oranges and yes botham is atg and second greatest all rounder after gary sobers. It is universally agreed
 
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