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Dale Steyn vs Viv Richards

Who is the better test cricketer?


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DrWolverine

U19 Debutant
I refuse to believe every fast bowler except Steyn was mediocre between 2006-2015.

The conditions back then were not ideal for fast bowling and Steyn stood out because he was just that damn good
 

Johan

State Vice-Captain
I refuse to believe every fast bowler except Steyn was mediocre between 2006-2015.

The conditions back then were not ideal for fast bowling and Steyn stood out because he was just that damn good
the conditions weren't much better than early 2000s or anything, it's just that

Australia — was going through a transitional period, McGrath and Warne bowed out in 2007, Australia didn't really have great bowling until the current Quaret rose up.

England — never had ATG bowlers at the first place since Trueman, Anderson couldn't bowl outside England, Broad was medicore and more a whiteball guy, these two became good in 2010-11 respectively, before that they were both horrible. We were also rebuilding from the Quaret retiring.

Pakistan — their upcoming star pacers were banned for spot fixing, Gul and Sami were regulars in the test side who were both bad in test.

India — No Kohli, no pace culture, Ishant was averaging 38 and was a regular, the pacers weren't really good.

Sri Lanka — Never had a good fast bowler bar Vaas at the first place, who retired from tests pretty early.

West Indies — literally a nothing bowling, Fidel Edwards was one of the better bowlers and he averaged near 40, not good at all.

New Zealand — best pacer was Shane Bond, injuries ate his career, nothing can be done there.

more or less, fast bowling was in shambles after McGrath/shoaib and guys bowed out, it wasn't until mid 2010s when all the team got good pace attacks and started the pace pandemic, only Steyn/Morkel/Philander was a good attack at the time and that's why SA was a ATG team at the time.
 
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kyear2

International Coach
Viv till his 37th birthday was a 53 averaging bat, that's pretty much compareable to a 23 averaging bowler (Steyn retired at 36). I'm not really much into hypotheticals but Viv bashed Akram/Imran in low scoring tours, I don't know how he would've done against Windies pacers in internationals same way I don't know how Steyn would do against Kallis/De Villiers/Amla/Smith in international cricket but I'm confident some of the weaker Windies attacks like 1971 and 76 he would've bashed to oblivion, I don't really know how windies would impact his stats.

both Steyn and Viv are elite, it's the idea Steyn is 'easily' better when nothing substantiates it is what I'm debating against.

Regardless, Statistically they're compareable, I just explained why relative performance logic doesn't work.

You're welcome to make a case for Gavaskar>Richards if you feel the need to.
Yeah, these two are really close and the tie is appropriate.

Both top tier talents
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I refuse to believe every fast bowler except Steyn was mediocre between 2006-2015.

The conditions back then were not ideal for fast bowling and Steyn stood out because he was just that damn good
Nonsense. WI and Pak had stopped producing worldclass fast bowlers because of internal issues, not pitches.

So you really only had Aus and SA left capable of producing worldclass pacers.

Aus did produce Ryan Harris around the same time as Steyn, but he was injured, not because of pitches often. Anderson rose. Steyn stood out as a result.
 

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